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This is something that anyone who ever worked with NCES transcript-based longitudinal studies knows. From high school through college, women get higher grades than men in math, and at every level through post-calculus. The problem lies in the background propaganda that women don’t do well in math and don’t belong there. So give this study more publicity and light, and we’ll see higher rates of participation in math and quantitative subjects among women.
— Cliff Adelman Jul 25, 03:35 PM #
Also, the problem is that many institutions have math and science programs dominated by males and do not make participation of women in their programs either a goal or an amenable experience. This practice can bias participation which can bias the score studies unless they are normed; which hide male – female differences proportionately.
— lef Jul 25, 04:07 PM #
Before we go jumping off the deep end in insisting that this data shows that it can only be bias that prevents more women from obtaining math, engineering, and science PhDs, I should point out that a number of people who have looked at this study have pointed out that boys are generally overrepresented at the highest end of the scores as well as the lowest end of the scores. In other words, boys paradoxically make the best and the worst students of math. When they are averaged out, the scores are very close to the girls’ average.
However, keep in mind that the ranks of PhDs are generally taken from the top 5% of students of math. If boys are overrepresented in this group, is it any wonder that they make up a larger percentage of PhD recipients?
— J. Ward Jul 25, 04:51 PM #
But before we go jumping off the deep end by assuming that the larger proportion of men receiving Ph.D.s in mathematics is due to the effect mentioned above, we should also familiarize ourselves with Abbe Herzig’s research on what happens to women in mathematics graduate school. A little Googling is sufficient to get the gist of it, but reading the full articles can be quite illuminating.
With that sort of experience for women to anticipate, is it any wonder that men make up a larger percentage of Ph.D. recipients?
— Bob M. Jul 25, 07:58 PM #
Of course, a lot of people contend that standardised tests measure nothing but the ability to take standardised tests. If they are correct, studies such as this can’t tell us anything about how much mathematics boys and girls know.
— Gustave Jul 26, 07:13 PM #