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Protecting Your College From Patent Lawsuits Over Technology

Thursday, April 5, at 12 noon, U.S. Eastern Time

Companies are being granted what critics call overly broad patents on common technologies that colleges use. The companies are attempting to enforce the patents  — by demanding the payment of royalties  — on such routine activities as streaming videos online and administering tests over the Internet. Blackboard Inc. recently pledged not to enforce its controversial online-learning patent against open-source software providers or the institutions that use them. But that promise has not made colleges any less nervous about what they may be liable for. Jason Schultz, a lawyer and advocate for liberal rights in cyberspace, will answer your questions about patent law, what colleges should be concerned about, and how colleges can protect themselves from lawsuits.

The Guest

Jason Schultz is a staff lawyer at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit watchdog group that acts as a consumer advocate for digital rights. He specializes in intellectual property and reverse engineering and has led the Patent Busting Project, an endeavor to overturn software patents some consider too broad. He also teaches graduate classes in cyberlaw at the University of California at Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law and School of Information.

A transcript of the chat follows.

Dan Carnevale (Moderator):
    Welcome to today's Brown Bag. A big thanks to Jason Schultz for answering our questions. Let's get started.

Jason Schultz:
    Hi there. Thanks for having me for this chat. I'm one of the intellectual property lawyers at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (www.eff.org). One of the areas I specialize in is patent work. You can check out some of the work we do on patents at www.eff.org/patent/ and www.eff.org/patent/wanted/. Looking forward to your questions!

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    I've heard many critics say that the problem is really with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office being understaffed and unable to tell whether patent candidate is truly unique or not. Is this true? And, if so, what can be done about it?

Jason Schultz:
    There is no doubt that the US PTO is struggling to keep up with the onslaught of patent applications being thrown at it. However, fixing this problem will not really address the overall problems with the patent system.

As long as the patent system is easy to exploit, there will always be more people applying for patents than the system can handle. So we must also cut back on the ability of certain entities to exploit the system and thus reduce the incentives to game the patent office.

One way to do this would be to carve out an exemption for educational institutions similar to those granted under the Fair Use doctrine in copyright law, so that non-profit educational use of technology for instruction or certain kinds of research would not qualify as infringement.

Question from Simon, community college consortium:
    Are institutions that implement a proprietary version of an open source course management system, like rSmart's version of Sakai, safe with the Blackboard patent pledge?

Jason Schultz:
    Hard to say, as the Blackboard pledge has not been tested in court, but the pledge (http://www.blackboard.com/patent/FAQ_013107.htm) does say that Open Source Software that is "bundled" with proprietary software is fair game for them to sue. I'm not very familiar with rSmart's version of Sakai, so you should probably talk to them directly or ask Blackboard. Also note that the Blackboard CMS patent is currently undergoing Reexam at the US Patent Office, so it may be narrowed or cancelled in the near future.

Question from Jeff Young, The Chronicle:
    Do you think that software should be granted patents at all? Is this a bigger issue than just whether Blackboard or other companies are making over-broad patent claims? Or are there situations where a company like Blackboard would have a right, in your view, to be granted patent protection for a software product?

Jason Schultz:
    The issue of software patents is a complicated one, especially given the history of the industry both fighting and relying on patents at different times to further a stable marketplace.

However, that said, there is really no reliable empirical evidence suggesting that patents are necessary to further innovation in the software industry. In other words, no one has shown that we need patents as incentives for people to make high quality, innovative software.

This is especially true with open source and free software. In fact, researchers such as Eric von Hippel at MIT (http://web.mit.edu/evhippel/www/) and Jim Bessen at Boston University (http://www.researchoninnovation.org/online.htm) have begun to show that we sometimes generate more innovation in the software world *without* patents, as patents can be a barrier to innovation in some instances.

So in my view, companies like Blackboard should only have a right to patent protection if patent protection is necessary to give them incentive to innovate. Given the huge market for CMS software and other educational technology tools, there seems to be quite a bit of incentive already to innovate in that market. If anything, the fact that Blackboard faces competition in the CMS market from Sakai and other projects would provide more incentive to innovate, not less. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    Blackboard officials have insisted publicly that they have no intention of hurting their relationship with colleges by suing them. And given the company's recent written pledge not to go after open source, can colleges stop worrying that they may be a target?

Jason Schultz:
    I find the whole Blackboard situation fascinating. It's like a schoolyard bully who holds a huge club over your head and promises not to hit you as long as you don't play with certain other kids on the playground.

The bottom line is that by suing D2L, BB has potentially hurt those colleges and universities that rely on D2L as a provider. They don't have to sue you directly if they go after your vendors.

As for the recent pledge, it is a nice gesture, but what they should really do is issue all colleges and open source projects an official license to their entire patent portfolio, royalty-free. A license is the most definitive way of saying "I won't sue you."

Question from Scott Carlson, Chronicle:
    What is the EFF currently doing with the Acacia patent (which claimed ownership of streaming technology)? Is that something colleges still need to worry about?

Jason Schultz:
    The Acacia DMT (Digital Media Transmission) patents are embroiled is heavy litigation right now with several large cable and satellite providers working hard to defeat them. As such, EFF is focusing on some of the other patents on our list right now while we see how these companies do in court.

In addition, Acacia seems to have backed off on their demands that colleges and universities pay royalties on the DMT patents. If their demands kick up again, however, we are prepared to move more quickly on petitioning for a reexamination of the patents. That said, they are still on our list and we intent to bust the patents if the cable/satellite companies don't.

So the bottom line is: I think colleges can wait and see for a bit what happens and not worry about it for the moment. I would certainly think carefully and skeptically before paying any money to Acacia these days.

Dan Carnevale (Moderator):
    We're about half way through. Keep those questions coming.

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    Test.com had been sending letters to colleges telling them that they may have to pay royalties for administering tests in their online courses. What steps should colleges take if they get a similar letter from such a company if they feel that the patent is too broad?

Jason Schultz:
    They should contact EFF. We can take a look at the patent and see if there are ways to challenge it.

Question from Goldie Blumenstyk, Chronicle reporter:
    You say Acacia has backed off recently. Is that typical of companies to do that when challenged?

Jason Schultz:
    Yes. Most of the companies looking to exploit the patent system rely heavily on a lack of resistance from their victims. If you fight back, it's very common that they will slowly slink away to find someone who will fold quickly.

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    Do you ever find that colleges try to enforce overly broad patents against others? Do you have any examples?

Jason Schultz:
    I've heard of some pretty heated battles in the Biotech area where colleges have sued to enforce patents, but not really in the software field. One exception, I suppose, was Eolas suing Microsoft over its Active X component in Explorer, but that was more of an example of going after a commercial entity, not another educational institution. MIT also tried to enforce some graphics patents a while back against some software providers, but again, that was more commercial in nature.

In my experience, colleges stay out of the patent game, at least when it comes to software, internet, and educational technology.

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    I know the Blackboard/Desire2Learn suit has a long way to go, but I was wondering if you have any predictions on the outcome. Are these things a crapshoot, or can you make an educated guess even this early?

Jason Schultz:
    Part of the problem with the patent system is its lack of predictability. With so much money at stake and so little certainty, it's an easy formula for exploitation. That said, given that the US PTO is reexaming the Blackboard patent, there is a good chance the patent will be narrowed or cancelled. So unless D2L settles the case, I would expect them to mount a fairly successful attack on BB and their patent.

Question from Jeff Young, The Chronicle:
    What problems occur for users when these patent battles drag out for long periods of time, as they tend to do?

Jason Schultz:
    The biggest problem is probably IT planning. As a user, you want to know you can count on your technology being available to you in the future. For example, what good is a Blackberry if the service might be shut down by the courts at some unknown time in the future?

Fortunately, the recent US Supreme Court decision in the Ebay case has given courts more flexibility over whether or not to grant an injunction in patent cases, but the uncertainty over availability is still a factor for every technology user when it comes to patents.

Also, when users themselves are sued, there is the problem of having to defend yourself, which is costly and time-consuming. Hopefully, your vendor has agreed to cover the cost of your defense (usually called "indemnification").

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    Acacia, Test.com, and Blackboard get the most publicity. Are there other patents on the horizon that you believe colleges should be wary of?

Jason Schultz:
    Good question. There has been a surge of patenting in the VOIP arena and in the Blogging arena. There are too many companies to name, but if colleges are planning to use any of those technologies, they should be aware of the potential patent problems looming.

Question from Dan Carnevale:
    Is there any pressure on Congress to amend patent laws to address some of the concerns you've raised? If not, what will it take to get lawmakers' attention?

Jason Schultz:
    There is growing pressure in Congress for some kind of patent reform this year. In fact, Howard Berman (who now chairs the House committee in charge of this) has said this is his "number one priority."

However, the main voices in the debate have been large software and biotech companies. There hasn't been much of a voice for public interest groups or educational institutions. The only exception has been WARF (the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation), a notoriously aggressive licensing firm, who is firmly pro-patent.

If I were at a college, I would try to get my administration to speak out on the negative effects of patents on the future of education and educational technologies. A letter from several university CTOs, for example, would be a good way to start. I would also recommend contacting Mr. Berman's office, especially if your campus has administrators who are willing to testify as to the burden patents can place on limited educational resources. People can also contact me, as I am in touch with some of the folks working on these issues in D.C.

I expect that there will be some kind of reform bill passed in the next two years, so if educational institutions want to ensure some kind of protection from patent threats, now is the time to get involved! There may not be another chance for at least another 5-10 years.

Dan Carnevale (Moderator):
    That's all the time we have for today's chat. Thanks again to Jason Schultz for providing such great answers.

If you would like to continue talking about this topic, please join the conversation at our Discussion Forums.

And be sure to join us for next week's Brown Bag. Our guest will be Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, who will talk about the controversy surrounding students sharing music online and his attempts to get colleges to stop it.

Jason Schultz:
    Thanks for having me here for the chat. Again, if people want more information on the work EFF is doing to help stop bad patents, feel free to visit www.eff.org/patent.