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« Reply #120 on: August 07, 2007, 06:10:27 PM » |
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Has anyone actually looked at this? http://www.duggarfamily.com/Kaysixteen is right. There is something very troubling about this family. I guess the boys can go to college, but the girls need to learn how to be mothers so they can fill those quivers. They are using a Christian home schooling curriculum (it's referenced on their website) that is somewhat odd. I will agree with scheherazade as well. I have seen lots and lots and lots of child abuse. This is not child abuse. Stop overdramatizing, forumites. Kids having to do some work is not onerous. There are serious problems here but abuse is not one of them. |
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« Reply #121 on: August 07, 2007, 06:52:30 PM » |
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Has anyone actually looked at this? http://www.duggarfamily.com/Kaysixteen is right. There is something very troubling about this family. I guess the boys can go to college, but the girls need to learn how to be mothers so they can fill those quivers. They are using a Christian home schooling curriculum (it's referenced on their website) that is somewhat odd. I will agree with scheherazade as well. I have seen lots and lots and lots of child abuse. This is not child abuse. Stop overdramatizing, forumites. Kids having to do some work is not onerous. There are serious problems here but abuse is not one of them. I've had ton of thoughts about this, and I think Anthoid summarized them in fewer words that I can put together. I guess I have a problem with someone conditioned to believe that they're not meant for higher education and should be building big ass quivers of kids. In my geographical area, this isn't uncommon. I don't have a politically correct mode of saying it, though. |
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« Reply #122 on: August 07, 2007, 08:10:51 PM » |
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But apparently, some academics here on the forum endorse the reproductive rights only for prochoice vegan atheists for those whose politics coincide with their own.
That's pretty funny, Francie. I suspect that there are some exceptions. No, I know there are some exceptions. I feel just fine looking askance at this family, because I would look askance at them anyway. It's not like I'm in a position to restrict their rights to reproduce (and nor would I want to, really), but they certainly are out to get folks like me. Those arrows are pointed right at my little family. cbl I have to respond here. As forumites know, I was raised in a relatively conservative Christian denomination (okay so the Duggars make me look like a liberal atheist, but I'm making a kind and generous point here). Yes, all the churches I've attended would say that things like abortion and homosexuality are sins . . . BUT every church I've ever attended also holds roughly 45 things I do on a daily basis to be sins. That's one of the central tenets of Christianity, that all humans are sinners, none are perfect, and that it's a gigantic waste of time (and a sin besides, interestingly enough) for one human to "point arrows" at any other human. The relevant Scripture goes something like "Judge not so that you are not judged." I'm not proselytizing here by the way, just sharing. Any church that I would attend, and that is consistent with the Bible's internal logic, would be equally happy to welcome a Duggar-type family, a CBL-type family, a well-dressed white family, a single Hispanic mom who shows up at church still in a work uniform, an interracial family . . . you get the idea. CQ gets off soapbox yet hopes people will remember that most Christians do not possess arrows :) Comp_queen, the Christian ideal you put forward is lovely. I know there are many people and churches that follow it. Very right wing Christians whose theology tells them to put religion into politics aren't usually among them, tough. There may be 45 things you do on a daily basis that any church worth its salt would call a sin. But they're not ostracizing you because of them, they make the implicit assumption that your're doing what you're supposed to be doing and basically leave it at that unless you give them reason to dig deeper. And--and this is very significant--they're not making any effort to criminalize whatever your 45 sins are (unless theyr'e more serious than I assume, in which case they're probably already criminal) and they're not looking to legally curtail your civil rights on account of whatever your sins are. I appreciate taht there are wonderful, liberal, justice-loving Christians out there. Sadly, I don't get the impression that the Duggars are among them. |
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« Reply #123 on: August 07, 2007, 09:16:14 PM » |
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But apparently, some academics here on the forum endorse the reproductive rights only for prochoice vegan atheists for those whose politics coincide with their own.
That's pretty funny, Francie. I suspect that there are some exceptions. No, I know there are some exceptions. I feel just fine looking askance at this family, because I would look askance at them anyway. It's not like I'm in a position to restrict their rights to reproduce (and nor would I want to, really), but they certainly are out to get folks like me. Those arrows are pointed right at my little family. cbl I have to respond here. As forumites know, I was raised in a relatively conservative Christian denomination (okay so the Duggars make me look like a liberal atheist, but I'm making a kind and generous point here). Yes, all the churches I've attended would say that things like abortion and homosexuality are sins . . . BUT every church I've ever attended also holds roughly 45 things I do on a daily basis to be sins. That's one of the central tenets of Christianity, that all humans are sinners, none are perfect, and that it's a gigantic waste of time (and a sin besides, interestingly enough) for one human to "point arrows" at any other human. The relevant Scripture goes something like "Judge not so that you are not judged." I'm not proselytizing here by the way, just sharing. Any church that I would attend, and that is consistent with the Bible's internal logic, would be equally happy to welcome a Duggar-type family, a CBL-type family, a well-dressed white family, a single Hispanic mom who shows up at church still in a work uniform, an interracial family . . . you get the idea. CQ gets off soapbox yet hopes people will remember that most Christians do not possess arrows :) Comp_queen, the Christian ideal you put forward is lovely. I know there are many people and churches that follow it. Very right wing Christians whose theology tells them to put religion into politics aren't usually among them, tough. There may be 45 things you do on a daily basis that any church worth its salt would call a sin. But they're not ostracizing you because of them, they make the implicit assumption that your're doing what you're supposed to be doing and basically leave it at that unless you give them reason to dig deeper. And--and this is very significant--they're not making any effort to criminalize whatever your 45 sins are (unless theyr'e more serious than I assume, in which case they're probably already criminal) and they're not looking to legally curtail your civil rights on account of whatever your sins are. I appreciate taht there are wonderful, liberal, justice-loving Christians out there. Sadly, I don't get the impression that the Duggars are among them. Right. I don't think they are either--I was just reminding folks that the rest of us are out there. |
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« Reply #124 on: August 07, 2007, 09:19:35 PM » |
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Did you check out the recipes. They are what we used to call poor white trash cooking. |
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« Reply #125 on: August 07, 2007, 09:23:19 PM » |
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The only thing I find disturbing is that a name like "Dugger" is going to be perpetuated for another generation. Sounds like the name of a hillbilly family on the Simpsons . . . Cletus Dugger.
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« Reply #126 on: August 07, 2007, 09:24:18 PM » |
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Did you check out the recipes. They are what we used to call poor white trash cooking. Thank you for confirming my roots. |
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« Reply #127 on: August 07, 2007, 10:25:59 PM » |
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Did you check out the recipes. They are what we used to call poor white trash cooking. Wow. You know, I have no problem with them having 17 kids. I couldn't care less about their religious beliefs. It doesn't faze me that their kids pitch in way more than most children do. But COTTAGE CHEESE IN LASAGNA? And SOY SAUCE in Italian dressing?!? (Unless you can get fake soy sauce, which is apparently better according to their discriminating palates.) Now THAT'S child abuse. Anthroid! Fetch the children before it's too late! And bring coq au vin! |
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« Reply #128 on: August 07, 2007, 10:29:09 PM » |
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Did you check out the recipes. They are what we used to call poor white trash cooking. Thank you for confirming my roots. Hey, it's not allways about you. I have a "White Trash Cookbook" (Actual title) on my shelf. |
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« Reply #129 on: August 07, 2007, 10:42:00 PM » |
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But COTTAGE CHEESE IN LASAGNA? And SOY SAUCE in Italian dressing?!? (Unless you can get fake soy sauce, which is apparently better according to their discriminating palates.)
Now I've used cottage cheese in lasagna (as a broke graduate student), but SOY SAUCE? In Italian dressing? EW! |
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« Reply #130 on: August 07, 2007, 10:44:11 PM » |
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I can't hack it with the Velveeta.
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« Reply #131 on: August 07, 2007, 10:45:36 PM » |
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At least you are honest, Ms. Food Snob. Not that that makes snobbery taste good, of course.
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« Reply #132 on: August 07, 2007, 10:47:10 PM » |
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Nothing can make Velveeta taste good.
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« Reply #133 on: August 07, 2007, 10:48:28 PM » |
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In all fairness to them, Bragg's isn't fake soy sauce. I personally can't stand it, but I know lots of foodie vegetarians who absolutely swear by the stuff. It is similar to soy sauce in that it's brown, liquid, and salty.
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« Reply #134 on: August 07, 2007, 10:52:59 PM » |
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In all fairness to them, Bragg's isn't fake soy sauce. I personally can't stand it, but I know lots of foodie vegetarians who absolutely swear by the stuff. It is similar to soy sauce in that it's brown, liquid, and salty.
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