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Author Topic: Edward Mellen Press--Any insights?  (Read 21181 times)
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2007, 3:29:38 PM »

Since I gave Edward Mellen a bad review before, I thought it would only be fair to mention that I just ran across a book by the press that I will probably use for an upcoming article (and I'm actually excited about this book).  Sometimes I'm tempted to be snobby about who I read & cite, but then I realize that this kind of attitude is just dumb.
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2011, 3:04:48 PM »

I wasn't sure which of the Mellen threads to use for this post, but this seemed like a decent option. I just received a letter from Edwin Mellen in relation to a conference I attended several years ago. Apparently, there was a session on academic publishing at this conference, and one of the panelists (according to this letter) discussed publishers, mentioning Mellen as one publisher to avoid because their books won't count towards tenure. (Note that I didn't actually attend this session or appear on the panel.) This letter is asking for "memories" of what this individual said on this panel about Mellen so that they can "seek adjudication" - I'm assuming that means legal action? I'm rather horrified by this.
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2011, 3:09:41 PM »

I wasn't sure which of the Mellen threads to use for this post, but this seemed like a decent option. I just received a letter from Edwin Mellen in relation to a conference I attended several years ago. Apparently, there was a session on academic publishing at this conference, and one of the panelists (according to this letter) discussed publishers, mentioning Mellen as one publisher to avoid because their books won't count towards tenure. (Note that I didn't actually attend this session or appear on the panel.) This letter is asking for "memories" of what this individual said on this panel about Mellen so that they can "seek adjudication" - I'm assuming that means legal action? I'm rather horrified by this.


Be very careful!  A colleague of mine was sued by Mellen for referring to it as "the next thing to a vanity press".  The university was named in the suit, as well.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2011, 3:34:26 PM »

Shades of the Oxford Round Table!
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2011, 4:01:51 PM »

But can you sue people for saying the truth? I mean, it's not defamation or libel if it's true (which, if the conference was a few years ago, will be well beyond statute of limitations allowed to raise a case in most countries). Seems very odd to me.
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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2011, 4:24:43 PM »

My limited understanding is that you can sue over all kinds of sh*t. You can't necessarily win, but sometimes winning is not the point. The point is intimidation. If you are some poor schmuck of an assistant professor and your university won't stand behind you and you have to hire your own lawyer, that is a pretty huge penalty for speaking the truth.

Look at the hell that the Oxford Round Table, Incorporated visited on an individual on the basis of a few private emails she sent to friends warning them away from said conference. She was sued in both the United States and in England. It went on for several years.
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2011, 1:01:09 PM »

Melllen did publish some worthwhile things on academic bullying and mobbing.  University Press of America published one of the better anthologies in military sociology.  So there are exceptions.  At teaching colleges, the worth of publishers is less of an issue.  So you can probably get this to "count" there.  I'd be tempted to rank these like a "trade" book, where the editorial standards are probably similar.  Sole, non-peer editor.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2011, 1:04:21 PM »

I wasn't sure which of the Mellen threads to use for this post, but this seemed like a decent option. I just received a letter from Edwin Mellen in relation to a conference I attended several years ago. Apparently, there was a session on academic publishing at this conference, and one of the panelists (according to this letter) discussed publishers, mentioning Mellen as one publisher to avoid because their books won't count towards tenure. (Note that I didn't actually attend this session or appear on the panel.) This letter is asking for "memories" of what this individual said on this panel about Mellen so that they can "seek adjudication" - I'm assuming that means legal action? I'm rather horrified by this.


Be very careful!  A colleague of mine was sued by Mellen for referring to it as "the next thing to a vanity press".  The university was named in the suit, as well.

Ursula, if you don't mind saying, what was the context in which your colleague made this claim?  Water-cooler chitchat?  E-mail to colleague?  Formal presentation at a conference?  In (published) writing, say in an article?

As for the Oxford Round Table, I'm still waiting for the CHE's big expose.  Or, an expose of the internal collapse of the CHE's plans for a big expose.
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2011, 1:39:56 PM »

Re ORT:  _______ Joyboy at our place, spurred on by Chair Dr. Schadenfreude, who hates one of hu's faculty who has gone to them, has now put the kabosh on conferences where a for-profit company has thrown the conference together.  No matter if the conference has university co-sponsors, and is actually good. 

Admittedly, some of the sleazier meetings are scheduled take place in Vegas and are "fun-filled."  Or offer "publication" in "working papers" for a "set-up fee."

But this is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2011, 1:43:28 PM »

I wasn't sure which of the Mellen threads to use for this post, but this seemed like a decent option. I just received a letter from Edwin Mellen in relation to a conference I attended several years ago. Apparently, there was a session on academic publishing at this conference, and one of the panelists (according to this letter) discussed publishers, mentioning Mellen as one publisher to avoid because their books won't count towards tenure. (Note that I didn't actually attend this session or appear on the panel.) This letter is asking for "memories" of what this individual said on this panel about Mellen so that they can "seek adjudication" - I'm assuming that means legal action? I'm rather horrified by this.


I just got the same letter (presumably the same conference).
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2011, 3:40:56 PM »

Wow. What a juicy twist.

Any chance you can upload the letter, blocking out the personal information?
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2011, 3:54:43 PM »

Edwin Mellen unsuccessfully sued Lingua Franca, but then published a book on the trial:

http://www.mellenpress.com/mellenpress.cfm?bookid=7023&pc=9
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« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2011, 4:07:47 PM »

I had forgotten about that 1993 article that Lingua Franca published, it was an absolutely devestating take-down of Edwin Mellen as a vanity press. Can anyone find it online?
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« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2011, 4:27:42 PM »

Wow. What a juicy twist.

Any chance you can upload the letter, blocking out the personal information?

It's at my office, and it's hard copy, but I'll try to provide more of a synopsis on Monday. It also came with a booklet of "author testimonials."

I'm also curious as to how they got contact information for all the conference attendees (this was a big, national conference). Did the conference provide it? Do book vendors get a copy of the participants booklet?

cc_and_grad - Fall 2008?



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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2011, 5:17:39 PM »

I had forgotten about that 1993 article that Lingua Franca published, it was an absolutely devestating take-down of Edwin Mellen as a vanity press. Can anyone find it online?

I haven't seen an online copy, but the original Lingua Franca article is reproduced as an appendix in the book linked above.
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