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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2012, 4:34:53 pm »

See, I thought the first one we got about a year ago from a job applicant was a joke--the guy had worked as an adjunct for us for a few years and was a real jerk, and it was just like something we'd expect him to do (over the top and stupid).  Then we started seeing more and more of them and I thought, oh-oh.... 

As I told the colleague who sent that completely wild one to me yesterday, this must be the current grad school fad.  When I was there, it was the "parentheses and colon in the title" thing: "Under Water:  (Re)Imagining the Implications of the Marriage of SCUBA Diving and Basketweaving on the Industry."  Annoying as that was, I don't think it ever really made anyone throw up, unlike this one. 

I forgot to say, too, Melba, that you're absolutely right about the ADA implications!
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2012, 11:57:04 pm »

I've only ever seen one Prezi. It was done by a student last year, in part because he had a class (no memory of which) that required them to do a Prezi for their final presentation so he tried out one for our class as practice. He did a nice job. No super-swirlies, and he used the zoom manually if someone had a question about something on his slide. I promptly signed up, but I just really haven't had time to play with it. My sense is that if I just took a ppt presentation and converted it to Prezi (which you can do) I'd end up with the kind of mess these seem (based on the comments) to be. It definitely can be well done--his was, and it worked well with his material--but it's not as intuitive as they'd like you to think, and I think it's best for certain kinds of presentations. Stuff that doesn't need to be, and perhaps shouldn't always be, linearly presented. That would rule out a syllabus in my mind.

I still want to see what these look like, but I've apparently forgotten my account log on and I can't set up a new account on my iPad. I can only view and edit previous Prezis from there. I can't create one from scratch, and I can't view one without logging on--and it won't let me create an account to view them because (in circular fashion) I can't create one. ??? (Then again, I just remembered I loaded a bug fix update to it tonight, so maybe I should try again.) I'll have to remember to look when I'm on a campus computer tomorrow or the next day. I was too busy to do it today.

FWIW, I mentioned the existence of these to some of my classmates, both trad-, and nontrad. They've all either heard of, or have seen at least one Prezi, although none have used it. We all had the same initial reaction. "Why?!?" Interspersed with, "Oh, no! That would never be a good idea for a syllabus." But, what do we know? We're just the target audience. They're curious now, too. When I get a chance I'll take a look and show it to them and let you know what their consensus is after seeing it.
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« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2012, 12:24:25 am »

The "Digital Native" crap drive me absolutely bonkers. The edu-babble gurus love to spout about this at workshops, but their proposals are lacking in exact details about how to make these activities work.
Our administrators like this too, but most of them haven't been in front of an undergraduate class since beaver coat days.

For those of you who really feel a need for excitement in their presentation lives, go to http://www.edankwan.com/lab/3dit and follow the instructions on the left of the screen.  (Warning: almost as nausea-inducing as prezi.) - DvF
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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2012, 12:27:01 am »

The "Digital Native" crap drive me absolutely bonkers. The edu-babble gurus love to spout about this at workshops, but their proposals are lacking in exact details about how to make these activities work.
Our administrators like this too, but most of them haven't been in front of an undergraduate class since beaver coat days.

Those digital natives are really good at Facebook and texting. Unfortunately, those are not particularly important or transferable skills. Many of them are pretty useless with a computer, even doing something basic like using Word properly, never mind Excel or something else.
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« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2012, 7:04:20 am »

The "Digital Native" crap drive me absolutely bonkers. The edu-babble gurus love to spout about this at workshops, but their proposals are lacking in exact details about how to make these activities work.
Our administrators like this too, but most of them haven't been in front of an undergraduate class since beaver coat days.

Those digital natives are really good at Facebook and texting. Unfortunately, those are not particularly important or transferable skills. Many of them are pretty useless with a computer, even doing something basic like using Word properly, never mind Excel or something else.

Agreed.  They also are helpless with searching databases, and not that great even at googling. 

I'm pretty tech-literate, and often an early adopter, but this is the first I've seen of Prezi.  It made me want to throw up.  And using it for a syllabus is ludicrous!

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« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2012, 9:51:08 am »

Is it possible these are companions to a standard syllabus, used during class to present the syllabus to students? 

I've seen Prezi, used Prezi, taught Prezi.  It's a format that can be used creatively and effectively, or you can make your audience motion sick, or it can be boring. Like any format, it depends on the skills of the creator. But because of the animation, Prezis don't work well as standalone documents.
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« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2012, 1:15:15 pm »

I've seen Prezi, used Prezi, taught Prezi.  It's a format that can be used creatively and effectively, or you can make your audience motion sick, or it can be boring.
Can you give an example how it can be an improvement (other than entertainment value) over text, hyperlinked html, or html with javascript that lets you expand and collapse entries? - DvF
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« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2012, 1:17:39 pm »

I've seen Prezi, used Prezi, taught Prezi.  It's a format that can be used creatively and effectively, or you can make your audience motion sick, or it can be boring.
Can you give an example how it can be an improvement (other than entertainment value) over text, hyperlinked html, or html with javascript that lets you expand and collapse entries? - DvF

Yes, please.  I'd love to see some effective uses of this technology.
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« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2012, 1:41:48 pm »

It works really well for showing relationships between concepts because you can show a "whole", zoom in to see each "part", and then zoom back out to see how the parts build to the whole. 

Let me reiterate that separated from the speaker, Prezis lose a lot.  If you just click the arrow rapidly to see the content, it's nauseating. But when each point is discussed before moving to the next section, the animation is not overwhelming. 

Here's one that describes some ways to use Prezi while teaching: http://prezi.com/rfsnedhqmhqa/thoughts-on-using-prezi-as-a-teaching-tool/

YMMV, but I've found Prezi a useful tool to add to PowerPoint, SlideShare, and static Webpages.
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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2012, 2:22:02 pm »

I really can't see anything in that Prezi that I can't/don't already do quite easily even in Adobe, but I'll grant that provided you know what parts you are going to want to zoom on, and in what order, Prezi appears to be somewhat easier for doing that than Acrobat and html.  (The "reveal" functions, such as zooming in on a word to see the definition, seem to me presentationally inferior to opening/collapsing in html or pdf.) - DvF
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2012, 4:28:24 pm »

Prezi would also be useful for exploring someone else's concept map as an interactive tool embedded in the CMS.  I could see that being a fast way to make a concept web for people who know no coding.

However, I have yet to see a Prezi presentation that either does something that absolutely cannot be done in Powerpoint or other linear software--seriously, people can show the relationships between various components without the actual zooming by showing the same big picture slide after each discussion point with different parts highlighted (now, we've been here and we're going here next).  I've been complemented on doing so and I've never given a talk with Prezi.

In the example posted by ranganathan, I like the timeline bit. I can do it in PowerPoint but it is potentially better visually in Prezi.
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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2012, 4:35:20 pm »

Here's one that describes some ways to use Prezi while teaching: http://prezi.com/rfsnedhqmhqa/thoughts-on-using-prezi-as-a-teaching-tool/
That demonstration makes sense to me but the amount of time it would take to effectively transfer all my PPTs and other materials to Prezi is prohibitive. Most include a great deal of voiceover so I don't have to lecture in class. I don't see the problem with using a blackboard or whiteboard to write, draw and diagram in class. It's easy to change things quickly or add something.

I sure hope the people at my school in charge of promoting online learning don't see this stuff. We'll end up having another workshop for sure.

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« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2012, 4:59:35 pm »

I'm with you on the reading, Polly_mer. Show me the whole thing at once.
Actually, I find that words on the screen prompt massive word-for-word notetaking and failure to listen to what I am saying.

Pictures maybe. Just listen to what I say and then we will discuss. The technology is getting in the way sometimes. Of course that doesn't work for some subjects. Bah!
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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2012, 5:06:28 pm »

Prezi is definitely best as a visual aid during a presentation.  I would never recommend using it as a reading format.  Just like Adobe PDF- it's awesome for some things, but gives me insane headaches when I try to read a PDF article on the screen.

And could other programs do similar things? Sure, just as some faculty hang on to their transparency overheads rather than use PowerPoint, or use Moodle instead of Blackboard.  It's not that Prezi is better than PPT or other formats, it just allows you another option.


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« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2012, 11:26:03 pm »

Well, I just discovered that the bug fix of theirs that I installed now causes Safari to crash and exit as soon as I set my cursor to type the first letter of my login name. Hey! At least no more worries about being told that I don't have a valid login any longer. It doesn't even get to the point of checking it, now. I'm becoming more impressed by the moment. If they impress me any further I should be below the surface of the earth any time now. Sure as hell am glad that I wasn't relying on a Prezi for either of the presentations I gave today.
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