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fiona
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 03:21:21 PM »

Asperger's?

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2012, 04:56:33 PM »

Argh, I just wrote this and lost it. Once again...

It is the advisor's responsibility to help the stduent with professional development. This is professional development.

My advisor did this for me and I am so grateful. He was kind. He said "Do you know that every time X offers advice or critiques your work, you bristle up? You give off a vibe of 'I'm not gonna take that from anyone'. X is trying to help you and make your work better." It was great approach to lead with "Do you know..." It allowed me to save face with "No, I did not."

I was gutted. I admire X (a cmte member) tremendously as a scientist and person, and always have. I had no idea I was doing that, and may never have figured it out. My advisor saved me at the least years of wondering why folks seemed so put off by me. It took courage for him to do that.

I have done it a few times with undergraduates. It works best if I know them well and and come from a place of caring, not annoyance. It sounds like you like this young person and have a good relationship.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2012, 05:23:39 PM »

An undergraduate professor took me aside after class and said "Young man, class participation also means knowing when to shut up."

The burn!

Yep.  Perhaps to no one's surprise, I was given that information on occasion.

As for the abrasive/assertive argument, the question is whether people are somewhat annoyed, you are projecting that people ought to be annoyed, or whether people are taking action against her.  Speaking as someone who often has assertiveness set at 11, the usefulness of having a wise, kind mentor point out that specific people in the food chain prefer assertiveness 11 to be saved for special occasions cannot be overestimated.  Knowing that assertiveness has a knob, not just on and off, can be very handy and that is a mentor's place.

However, the rudeness of being told to dial down assertiveness below 3 all the time just because some people go through life as snowflakes also should not be underestimated.  Is this student actually being harmed or likely to be harmed since people who have power are saying "pass her over for the fellowship" or "don't invite her to meet with the visitors"?

Or, is this a personal preference writ large since some people don't tolerate standard assertiveness set on 7, even though 7 may be perfectly fine?

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2012, 05:35:44 PM »

I had an abrasive phase as a graduate student, largely due to the competitive environment of my former department. It was either you win the argument or lose out. Very bad. I also worked for an abrasive (more ego-centric) supervisor. I grew out of the phase pretty immediately. I corrected myself, so to speak, or went back to my "real" self--pensive and inconspicuous. I tolerate abrasive people around me, including students. If you take them seriously and tried to have constructive discussions, they tend to be fine after a while. People get influenced by their environments.
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