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derrin
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« on: February 04, 2012, 05:52:51 PM »

The editor of lesser journal (I had never heard of it before) has asked if she could publish my conference paper in one of the upcoming issues.  Normally, I would politely decline, but she is planning to publish some of the journal's papers in a book and she would like to include mine (or, at least it seems that way from an e-mail of hers).  I am definitely in favor of the essay's publication in a book.  Is it a good idea to allow the journal to publish my paper in order to eventually have the essay appear in a book?   
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 06:01:03 PM »

The editor of lesser journal (I had never heard of it before) has asked if she could publish my conference paper in one of the upcoming issues.  Normally, I would politely decline, but she is planning to publish some of the journal's papers in a book and she would like to include mine (or, at least it seems that way from an e-mail of hers).  I am definitely in favor of the essay's publication in a book.  Is it a good idea to allow the journal to publish my paper in order to eventually have the essay appear in a book?   

Check with your institution's rules for tenure, if you're untenured faculty.  At some institutions, sections in books don't count very much.

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 06:03:40 PM »

So you're saying it would get published twice--in a journal and a book?  In my field, the book publication would not be an incentive in itself because, jmargerum said,  book articles are worth less than (peer-review) journal articles.

I would probably look the journal up and see what you think of it.  A publication (or two) in hand is pretty tempting.  
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hegemony
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 06:31:48 PM »

Make sure the journal is legit.  Is the book published by Cambridge Scholars Press?
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 09:03:29 PM »

It also depends on what you want to get from this publication or piece.  As the others have said, if this is to be a meaningful part of your tenure/promotion materials, then make absolutely certain that your department and college will accept it for that purpose.  Even so, if you had hoped to revise this presentation and place it in a more prestigious journal or book or whatever, then you may not wish to "give it away" to the first comers.  If this is something else, a side-bar project that you don't see yourself returning to anytime soon, AND if it doesn't really matter for tenure/promotion (either because you have plenty of other stuff or you know your department will credit this publication), then go ahead and publish here.  It is, as they say, a line on the CV!

Others may reasonably differ, and a lot will depend on your field, your department, and your university, as well as upon your own goals and values, but I do think that in many cases simple quantities of publications go a long way.  I certainly don't mean to say that quantity trumps quality, but for so many people -- even in your department, if they work in different fields, but definitely those from other departments (during tenure review, for instance) -- the quality of your work or of the publisher will be a matter of good faith.  Let's say a Shakespeare scholar is reviewing the tenure/promotion materials of someone who published a piece in "The Journal of Partially Submerged Basketweaving"; the Shakespeare scholar is more likely to take the word of a member of the Dept. of Basketweaving, regarding a professor of Underwater Basketweaving, than trust one's own judgment about whether that journal is a good venue.  Yes, "impact factor" or other criteria, if available (notoriously not helpful in nearly all the humanities, by the way), can help, but that won't necessarily be reliable and certainly not definitive.  So, most likely, numbers start to matter more. "Oh, that was just one of twelve peer-reviewed articles, published in nine different journals, so even if it is not such a hot journal, THIS scholar must be doing good work."

Part of my sense here -- and I do apologize to the OP for going off-topic a bit -- comes from the recognition that many of my colleagues in my own department don't know what's going on in this or that subfield.  I suppose we all can have blinders on with respect to our own fields, and even the most ecumenical will not be able to know all, but in my early days I was frequently amazed that some (very smart and productive) colleagues had never heard of scholars I considered big shots, and journals I considered top notch.  When I had an article published in what is a top journal in my field, most had never heard of it, but thought "good for you" ... about the same "good for you" I'd get with any publication, even in a student newspaper, e.g.  The message to me was clear enough: we will likely count the number of lines on the CV, since we cannot really determine the quality of this or that line.

By the way, what you describe really is "one line" on the CV.  If the same piece first appeared in a journal, then as a book-chapter, you really shouldn't count it twice (that's padding the resume); rather list it once, and add "reprinted in ... [book]" (or, if you prefer the book chapter's listing: "previously published in [journal info].)

Congratulations on the publication opportunity, in any case.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 10:28:33 AM »

The editor of lesser journal (I had never heard of it before) has asked if she could publish my conference paper in one of the upcoming issues.  Normally, I would politely decline, but she is planning to publish some of the journal's papers in a book and she would like to include mine (or, at least it seems that way from an e-mail of hers).  I am definitely in favor of the essay's publication in a book.  Is it a good idea to allow the journal to publish my paper in order to eventually have the essay appear in a book?   

One more person here to urge that you check the reputation of both the journal and the potential press, assuming that tenure is part of the eventual question. A point frequently included on the instructions for senior faculty asked to do outside evaluations for tenure is "please comment on the value and reputation of the journals and presses in which these items are published," an instruction particularly likely to be asked by smaller departments that do not have any other specialists in the subfield of the person up for tenure.

If you're still a grad student (and therefore you're looking at a cv suitable for job applications rather than for a not-yet-tenured faculty member) the question of publication venue is not quite so critical, but more than one publication from any of the laughably weak journals or presses in the subfield will put an application in the "no" stack for search committees in most over-supplied fields.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 05:18:59 PM »

If you think you can get the piece into a good journal, do not settle for less without trying.
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