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prof52
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« on: February 02, 2012, 06:04:46 PM »

This may sound naïve, but it's a serious question.  Assuming one has no particular reason why one couldn't move (e.g. family obligations or specialized research resources), how fast should one leave a department that appears to be turning toxic, but is perhaps only 50% of the way there? 

The background is this.  I'm fairly recently tenured at a well-regarded (and in fact, pretty nice to work at) flagship state university.  When the economy was good, we grew quickly, but sensibly, and for the most part working conditions, both teaching and research, have been anywhere from good to excellent.  Then, about two years ago, we were hit with the leading edge of a wave of retirements and moves, now totaling six senior faculty.  Of these six, five were central to out ability to attract good graduate students.  Although all were senior colleagues, and we'd be lucky to get two junior replacements for our losses, given current and foreseeable future funding.

Coinciding with the faculty attrition has been a rapid breakdown in departmental civility.  Every meeting has become factious and fractious, often with yelling.  No issue of greater importance than voting on the minutes from the last meeting can pass without heated, and increasingly personal, arguments.  There is some history to this, some of which I understand and some of which is hard to tease out.  I'm not caught up in the middle, yet, but I no doubt will be.

If I were guessing, I'd say that there are just one or two ways I could see things ending well, and it/they would require at least two colleagues to leave for other institutions.  That's not impossible, but it's not likely. So far, the fighting is just in meetings, and it doesn't affect day-to-day life in the department.  Teaching is being coordinated effectively, and some generally relaxed policies that help with research aren't being challenged.  So, it could be worse, and I appreciate the good working conditions.  Still, I wonder, would I be crazy not to get out now, if I can?  I've felt so fortunate to have a good job, that I hadn't seriously considered moving.  But, I'm really worried about being in a department where all issues turn into ugly fights.



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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 07:45:03 PM »

I suspect the question is not whether but if you can.  It never hurts to look around.  Maybe you'll land an offer that's better in many ways, not just in civility.  But you know it's harder to move after you have tenure, right?  I think it would be a safe bet that any way you can find to make the job more livable now would be effort well spent.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 08:24:24 PM »

To put in a word for civility: The next time someone starts yelling in a faculty meeting, speak up. You can say, "Please don't talk to me like that. I would be happy to discuss it when you can speak in a calmer tone." Say it politely, say it often. Don't let the yelling go on. I have done it, and it works wonders when department chairs are not willing to do it themselves. The trick is to always make it clear that you really want to know what people have to say. Sometimes people will argue, "I'm not yelling!". Just agree with them - they stop yelling, regardless!

I will never understand why faculty think it is ok for faculty meetings to turn into shouting matches. Seriously - my kid has better manners, and his manners are atrocious.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 09:19:00 PM »

Start looking.  I did, and I moved. 

For me, the situation was similar in terms of attrition, but the remaining faculty were just the opposite of your department - fantastic, genial folks.  My issue was the state's economy, and the ever-decreasing support from the administration.  Constant downsizing, constant assessment, and constant self-justification. 

Here's the thing: you have tenure, so you can take your time.  Wait for the right positions to come up, and cherry-pick the ones in desirable locations, in desirable departments.  I only looked at privates with hella good endowments, because I was sick and tired of my fate being in the hands of intellectually-challenged state legislators.  Figure out what your goals are, what you'd want in a department and university, and target those departments.  It's possible that you might only apply to one department a year.  That's okay.  Only apply if you'd take the job if offered.  Targeting in this way allows you to really tailor your application, which is very nice.

Anyway, when I got the offer I wanted, I took it.  I gave up tenure in order to have peace of mind.  I figure I earned tenure once, and I can do it again, and I'll probably do it better this time.  I'm certainly wiser than I was the first time around.

Best of luck to you.  You can do it.  Just wait for your pitch, and when it comes, knock it out of the park.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2012, 06:07:58 AM »

OP--I am sorry to hear this. As others have noted, you might start looking for other tenured positions now (there are fewer tenured positions, so it may take a while) and see what happens. You do not have to move but you might. Once departments turn or begin to turn toxic, they can stay that way for years (and years). Do you really want to be there in that environment? I have seen this happen and it is demoralizing, exhausting, and excellent senior colleagues check out of faculty governance and focus entirely on research and teaching. If a strong and fair chair comes along, there is a chance to stop the toxic environment from worsening but it is a long and slow process. So, I would suggest you begin looking around and applying to places you want to go. Others here give good advice on that. Good luck.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2012, 07:40:41 AM »

Systeme_D gives great advice.  If you don't have to move immediately, but are considering moving, then do targeted, discreet searches.  That way, you'll be in good shape if things go south.  Ramping up the job search during one year is much, much easier than starting from scratch and having to hit that one year.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 07:49:20 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 09:46:41 AM »

That seems like very good advice, in terms of improving livability at home, so speak.

I suspect the question is not whether but if you can.  It never hurts to look around.  Maybe you'll land an offer that's better in many ways, not just in civility.  But you know it's harder to move after you have tenure, right?  I think it would be a safe bet that any way you can find to make the job more livable now would be effort well spent.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 10:29:34 AM »

OP--I am sorry to hear this. As others have noted, you might start looking for other tenured positions now (there are fewer tenured positions, so it may take a while) and see what happens. You do not have to move but you might. Once departments turn or begin to turn toxic, they can stay that way for years (and years). Do you really want to be there in that environment? I have seen this happen and it is demoralizing, exhausting, and excellent senior colleagues check out of faculty governance and focus entirely on research and teaching. If a strong and fair chair comes along, there is a chance to stop the toxic environment from worsening but it is a long and slow process. So, I would suggest you begin looking around and applying to places you want to go. Others here give good advice on that. Good luck.

You sound like you're describing just what's beginning to happen in our department.  When I arrived, there were two or three colleagues who had lost their investment in the department, but who were active and excellent researchers and teachers.  At the time, with the wave of new hires, the trend seemed to be towards drawing people more towards caring about what happened, and so these colleagues were clear outliers, and they were mostly content just to go about their own business and not cause trouble.

However, the eruption of anger involves two of these individuals, and it's sucked several others in.  The thing that concerns me is that at root, this is a fight over the direction of the department, both in research and in teaching.  I fear that for future hires in particular, because each position will be seen as a potential new vote for one faction of the other.  My gut feeling is that all the fighting will end only when one side gets depopulated enough by attrition just to lose and check out.  That could take a while.  I don't want to end up demoralized or exhausted, and it's true, too, that I don't want to work around people who feel that way.

Start looking.  I did, and I moved. 

For me, the situation was similar in terms of attrition, but the remaining faculty were just the opposite of your department - fantastic, genial folks.  My issue was the state's economy, and the ever-decreasing support from the administration.  Constant downsizing, constant assessment, and constant self-justification. 

Here's the thing: you have tenure, so you can take your time.  Wait for the right positions to come up, and cherry-pick the ones in desirable locations, in desirable departments.  I only looked at privates with hella good endowments, because I was sick and tired of my fate being in the hands of intellectually-challenged state legislators.  Figure out what your goals are, what you'd want in a department and university, and target those departments.  It's possible that you might only apply to one department a year.  That's okay.  Only apply if you'd take the job if offered.  Targeting in this way allows you to really tailor your application, which is very nice.

Anyway, when I got the offer I wanted, I took it.  I gave up tenure in order to have peace of mind.  I figure I earned tenure once, and I can do it again, and I'll probably do it better this time.  I'm certainly wiser than I was the first time around.

Best of luck to you.  You can do it.  Just wait for your pitch, and when it comes, knock it out of the park.



This sounds like the right strategy- I think I have been feeling like it's all in or all out, not for any particularly good reason.  I did throw my hat in the ring for one very attractive job this year.  The process is moving slowly, but it looks like I'll at least make the shortlist, which is a good sign.  It's long odds that I'll get hired, but a shortlisting gives me some faith that I can find a new home somewhere that might be nice to work.

The funding issue is a real concern for us, too.  We're facing cuts, although not in the league of many places.  The real problem is that there are very strict laws (or rather, regulations) about how the universities can spend their allotted monies.  Oddly, this protects current faculty salaries (although not benefits), but it means that the university has minimal capacity to prioritize its spending.  The consequences range from the comic to the depressing.  One depressing change is that there is a reduction in janitorial staff, and I don't really need to explain further about that.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2012, 10:19:04 PM »

OP, I think you are describing conditions that are beginning to hold sway in a number of public institutions where funding is declining, tenure lines are shrinking, and the public vilification of university employees is giving normally sane people a bunker mentality. I have always said that I work with saints. However, my department has shrunk 40% in the TT ranks over the past ten years, despite growing enrollment at the undergraduate and graduate levels. I see my colleagues under a lot of stress in their personal lives as they face mortgage troubles and four years of frozen salaries. If people have the teensiest bit of a tendency towards negativity, the environment brings it out. We're still a mostly functional department, but I've started looking because I can see where the ship is headed.

I particularly like the advice to be vocal about your desire for collegial interactions during meetings. I think Libarkin is right in emphasizing that shouting matches mean less is communicated, not more.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2012, 06:39:04 PM »

I'm sorry to hear that what's going on with us is apparently all too common.  I hope things go well for you, and that you can get out, if that's what you'd like.

It's interesting how much griping there seems to be when the seas get a little rough.  Each of the warring colleagues finds a reason why his own contribution is more important than others.  That's what disappointments me most.  We're not such a small department that we couldn't sustain some different ways of contributing from different colleagues.  A little toleration would go a long way.  I will try putting in a word for toleration at the next meeting, but who knows if it'll work.

OP, I think you are describing conditions that are beginning to hold sway in a number of public institutions where funding is declining, tenure lines are shrinking, and the public vilification of university employees is giving normally sane people a bunker mentality. I have always said that I work with saints. However, my department has shrunk 40% in the TT ranks over the past ten years, despite growing enrollment at the undergraduate and graduate levels. I see my colleagues under a lot of stress in their personal lives as they face mortgage troubles and four years of frozen salaries. If people have the teensiest bit of a tendency towards negativity, the environment brings it out. We're still a mostly functional department, but I've started looking because I can see where the ship is headed.

I particularly like the advice to be vocal about your desire for collegial interactions during meetings. I think Libarkin is right in emphasizing that shouting matches mean less is communicated, not more.
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