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Author Topic: Can I quite my postdoc and teach at a community college  (Read 9284 times)
whynotevolve
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« on: January 27, 2012, 03:34:24 PM »

From reading some posts, I see that I am not alone in my dislike of my postdoc position.  I earned my PhD in a biology related field last summer and always wanted a teaching focused position.   Under the advise of everyone (in academia) that I talked to, I took a postdoc position.  I am really burnt out on research and am having trouble committing to my project.  I thought before that I might want to teach at a small college and have a research program for undergrads, but now am thinking that I would rather just teach.  A community college seems like a good fit.  However, I feel bad about leaving my postdoc early (I have 3 years and would be leaving after year 1).  I will not produce more than one research article if I leave now.  Also, if I decide down the line that I would like to have a research program (even a small one) will I be shooting myself in the foot by leaving my position early?  Also, if I cannot get a teaching job, then I would like to keep the job that I have in hand.  How do I talk to my PI about wanting to leave without burning a bridge.  Please help!
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 03:45:19 PM »

Of course you can apply for cc positions while keeping your postdoc. You should not quit your job in order to go on the market -- you're much more hireable if you are already employed.

However, my guess is that to be marketable for a cc job you will need to have some teaching experience. You may want to see if you can adjunct an evening course at a nearby cc so you will have real teaching experience at the type of school that interests you. If you do this, you will need to talk to your advisor. But you don't need to say "I'm looking to jump ship". You need to say "I've been thinking that a may want to head in a more teaching focused direction with my career. Would you have a problem with me teaching at the local cc one evening per week?"

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whynotevolve
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 04:02:37 PM »

Thanks onthefringe!
I do have teaching experience as a grad student and am currently teaching a night class at a small liberal arts college.  One thing I am concerned about is when to tell my advisor that I want to apply for other jobs.  I assume that they will want to hire another post-doc ASAP in order to keep the project going.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 04:54:47 PM »

I wouldn't burn any bridges until you actually get a CC job.  They may not be as easy to get as you'd hope.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012, 12:00:17 PM »

Talk to your advisor and let them know that you are leaning this way.  You could ask if there are any potential teaching opportunities where you are, my advisor has provided opportunities to guest lecture (so that he can discuss my teaching potential in a LOR) and perhaps cover his course during sabbatical. 

Even if you got a job today, you would be giving plenty of notice.  Most profs I know are supportive of postdocs looking for real jobs.  Remember that you are fairly replaceable.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 12:32:03 PM »

I wouldn't burn any bridges until you actually get a CC job.  They may not be as easy to get as you'd hope.

Absolutely.  Start applying, and start looking for teaching opportunities to bolster your CV, and see if you can get some time directly supervising undergrads in the lab somehow (this is the humanities talking, so this idea might be crap), but do not quit until you have another job in hand or have a trust fund. 

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 07:10:40 PM »

Talk to your advisor and let them know that you are leaning this way.  You could ask if there are any potential teaching opportunities where you are, my advisor has provided opportunities to guest lecture (so that he can discuss my teaching potential in a LOR) and perhaps cover his course during sabbatical. 

Even if you got a job today, you would be giving plenty of notice.  Most profs I know are supportive of postdocs looking for real jobs.  Remember that you are fairly replaceable.

This is good advice.

Also, why a community college specifically, and not a liberal arts college with a high teaching load (and little or no research expectations)?  Did you go to community college?

A community college is going to want to know that you understand their students and are able to teach them effectively.  It would really help to pick up a course at a CC.  Honestly, I only know one person (biology) that got a CC job after a postdoc, and his "hobby" was to teach English 1 night a week at a community center for people in the US on political asylum.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 10:17:46 AM »

Thanks everyone for the advise. 

I think community college would be a good fit for the level I would like to teach.  Most biology positions I see posted for liberal arts colleges still want to see undergraduate research along with almost as big of a teaching load as a CC.  Plus, I really like the idea of offering higher education to anyone who wants it.  Frankly, I am getting tired of these over-achieving pre-med students at the high tier private institution where I am working on my post-doc.  What I like about teaching is the challenge I get from students that are struggling and the rewards from getting them to understand the material.  I did not personally attend a CC, but my mother did after having children, taking her GED, and has gone on to earn a terminal degree from a prestigious university.  I will look into teaching a class at a CC if I cannot find a full time position.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 11:47:05 AM »

If you have a job offer from a CC, you should take it.  Life is too short to be miserable.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 12:05:06 AM »

Also, if I decide down the line that I would like to have a research program (even a small one) will I be shooting myself in the foot by leaving my position early?  Also, if I cannot get a teaching job, then I would like to keep the job that I have in hand.  How do I talk to my PI about wanting to leave without burning a bridge.  Please help!

I agree with the advice of everyone else here. But I think going to a CC will preclude you from getting an academic job where research is expected in the future.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 02:01:30 PM »

Thanks everyone for the advise. 

I think community college would be a good fit for the level I would like to teach.  Most biology positions I see posted for liberal arts colleges still want to see undergraduate research along with almost as big of a teaching load as a CC.  Plus, I really like the idea of offering higher education to anyone who wants it.  Frankly, I am getting tired of these over-achieving pre-med students at the high tier private institution where I am working on my post-doc.  What I like about teaching is the challenge I get from students that are struggling and the rewards from getting them to understand the material.  I did not personally attend a CC, but my mother did after having children, taking her GED, and has gone on to earn a terminal degree from a prestigious university.  I will look into teaching a class at a CC if I cannot find a full time position.

There are other liberal arts colleges besides the elite ones everyone hears about, and many of them serve students from disadvantaged backgrounds. For example, my small LAC in the South was an HBCU with a very high percentage of Pell grant recipients, and most of us were first-generation college students.  I am biased (of course) but many of us were hard-working and intellectually curious, and 30% of my department went on to graduate study in my field after they completed their BAs there.  (And our college was second in the nation for sending African American women to medical school; our biology department was notoriously rigorous, and many would-be pre-med majors were weeded out.  I think someone told me that they often started with 100-150 majors freshman year but often only graduated 10-20 4 years later).

There are many small LACs like my school, that serve lower-income students, or serve students who would never get into the Swarthmore/Amherst/Williams type places.  They are still places that require faculty research programs that would include undergraduates.  Then there are liberal arts colleges that don't look like liberal arts colleges on paper - maybe they have the name "university" in the title, but are really small colleges for undergraduates that service a lot of low-income, first-generation, or minority students.  A lot of regional state universities are like this too - my younger sister has, since high school, attended two small regional publics that are mostly undergraduate focused.  Both are primarily undergraduate focused institutions - the second doesn't offer graduate degrees - both host diverse student bodies with lots of disadvantaged students and older learners trying to get a degree on the very cheap tuition ($3,000 a year).  Both are about 30 minutes away from Atlanta.

There is a vast world of colleges between top elite tier-one colleges and universities and community colleges, and you don't have to teach only at community colleges to do little to no research and focus on teaching disadvantaged students, if that's what you want.
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