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[username2]

Oh yes, that's a good point. I had forgotten about the split positions.

[polly_mer]

Undergraduates and master's students are great if you want people to help with YOUR project.  Those students are crummy if what you want is a mostly independent researcher who will add to your research portfolio as you act as manager for a collection of projects.

Doing good research with non-doctoral students can be done, but it's you working with the students on your project or offshoots of your project, not the students working on their projects as you supervise.

[totoro]

PhD students just have to be aware that only if they are really good and determined and perhaps are they going to get faculty jobs that involve both research and teaching eventually in most disciplines. In most STEM, econ etc. employment opportunities where you can use your skills are good when one considers the broad range of opportunities inside and outside academia. In the humanities the situation is different it would seem going by these message boards, blogs etc.