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hopeandfaith
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« on: November 23, 2011, 05:56:15 PM »

I am so glad to have found this forum.  I am looking into PhD programs and am hoping some wise people on this board can give me some advice.

I am a 38 year old MBA student (current GPA 3.3) and will have my MBA with the completion of 3 more classes.  My undergrad degree is in business administration with a minor in psychology (3.7 GPA).  I have completed half of a Master of Social Work program (4.0 GPA).  All of the programs were face-to-face, but all had some strictly online courses as well.

I have a strong desire to serve the people in my community, but could not do so with an MSW (I am a conservative Christian but was expected to promote the gay agenda, etc – I do not wish to debate the issues of why the MSW was wrong for me).  I was successfully self-employed for some time and well-respected in that regard, but business is not where my passion lies…..I find our economy depressing, the stock market crooked, and finance borish.  My goal is to find a rewarding career serving others, and I believe I would be most satisfied teaching college students in a subject I am passionate about -- psychology, organizational development, communications, sociology, theology, the humanities, counseling, etc.  My husband does very well, so I would be content with an adjunct position.

I am the primary caregiver for a recently disabled parent, so am considering teaching online to fulfill my career goal (at least for the next 10 years or so).  I would like to mentor to students and give the support that I find is lacking from so many college professors.  My undergrad degree was from a Christian university, but I have attended 2 state universities for the MBA and MSW programs.  For many reasons, I enjoyed my time at the Christian university most of all.

This brings me to wonder what would be the next best step for me.  Would I have a chance at landing a position as an online adjunct professor teaching communications or organizational behavior or psychology with an MBA?  If so, at what schools should I apply for a position?

Or would I need a PhD?  I am interested in the PhD in Counseling program at Liberty University – I have enough MSW courses under my belt to meet the prerequisite courses, but what are my chances of getting into a Counseling PhD program with an MBA (my GRE score isn't great but I excelled in the writing portion)?  Does anyone know anything about this program at Liberty U?  I could do volunteer counseling on a part-time basis with such a degree.

I looked into I/O Psych PhD programs, but they require a huge amount of statistics.  I don’t mind a stats class or two, but that program requires too much for my comfort level.

I am sure I am leaning toward attending a Christian college, and understand I need to choose one that is not-for-profit.  But do I need the PhD to teach students in the areas I am passionate about?  I do enjoy research and wouldn’t mind the dissertation process, so that would fit into the desired requirements of a PhD candidate.

I have been researching online universities and PhD programs for weeks.  Considering all of the above, my questions at this juncture would be:

1)  Should I bother getting a PhD to be an online adjunct professor?

2)  What universities with online programs would hire an adjunct professor with just an MBA and no PhD?

3)  Does anyone know anything about Liberty U's PhD in Counseling program?

I am at a loss and would welcome any and all comments.  Thank you.

I broke the record for starting the most sentences with "I" in a board post.  I, I, I say there.....  Haha  Sorry guys.

Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday!
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 06:00:32 PM »

Homosexuals of the United States (HOTUS):

Minutes of the Gay Agenda 2012 Planning Meeting

(TOP SECRET! Do NOT leak to mainstream America)

* * *

In attendance: 3,136,921 adult U.S. homosexuals
In absentia: Clay Aiken, who is nursing laryngitis

Meeting called to order by President Gaga at 2:07 p.m.

Summaries of committee reports:

    From the Recruitment Committee: We are facing an uphill battle. The world's population has reached 7 billion. This means that we will have to work hard to not only maintain our strength at 10 percent of the population, but each current member will have to recruit at least three new members to reach our target goal of 11 percent in 2012. (Remember our long-range plan: 16 percent by '16!)

    From the Marriage Committee: We had a very successful year in 2011. Due to the diligent work of all HOTUS members, heterosexual marriage is now ending in divorce at a steady 50 percent. Our goal is 53 percent in 2012. A new study shows that if we can force the legality of gay marriage in just two more states, we can easily achieve the goal of ruining at least 53 percent of heterosexual marriages. A sub-committee has been formed to study Kim Kardashian's recent divorce to learn more effective techniques in ending marriages at a faster rate.

    From the Pride Committee: We have done an excellent job this year of coercing local news stations to use imagery of drag queens and dykes on bikes when covering gay pride events. In 2012, we are hoping to add more imagery of leather daddies. We want the news media to continue to depict these fully representative images of the gay community when covering our pride events.

    From the Acts of God Committee: Again, a banner year in 2011! Earthquakes, hurricanes, and just plain old freaky weather was achieved, particularly on the East Coast. In 2012, HOTUS plans to anger god enough with our homosexuality to achieve total havoc in the Southern states.

    From the Election Committee: 2012 is an election year. We are launching a new campaign to discredit our Republican and conservative foes by spreading vicious rumors that they are intolerant, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, clueless, or drunk. Our 2011 pilot program in this area has made incredible headway in this department already.

    From the Military Committee: With the end of Don't Ask Don't Tell in 2011, it will be much easier to destroy unit cohesion and unravel military readiness in 2012. Openly gay military personnel are encouraged to ogle heterosexual soldiers in the showers and to act frightened and vulnerable in any combat situations.

    From the Morality Committee: No report. Due to lack of interest in morality, this committee was disbanded in 2011.

A dinner break was taken from 5:13 to 6:17 p.m. (Note: next year, we should not have our food provided by Chick-fil-A or Godfather's Pizza. Although delicious, these choices were not favored by many members this year.)

After dinner, an orgy was held in the bathroom. The purpose of this year's orgy was twofold:

    To teach members the latest deviant sexual practices for 2012.

    Members had gone without sex for almost four hours, making it difficult to proceed with business.

Breakout sessions/workshops were held in order to maintain our dominance in the following areas in 2012:

    Interior design / flower arrangement

    Fashion/hairdressing

    Musical theater

    Glitterbombing

    Lesbian talk-show hosting

    General fabulousness

Before ending the meeting, special recognition and thank-yous were given to the following for their continued work in helping HOTUS with the degradation of America: Dancing with the Stars, Grindr, the state of New York, Bravo television, the cute Mr. Spock guy, vodka, and, of course, Kathy Griffin.

Upon finalization from the executive committee, leather-bound copies of Gay Agenda 2012 will be sent to all members in late December for implementation in the new year. Any member who has not received a copy by Jan. 1, please call 1-800-GAGENDA.

Meeting was adjourned at 7:58 p.m., just in time to watch Glee.

Source, Domenick Scudera on The Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/domenick-scudera/gay-agenda-planning_b_1079389.html
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 06:02:50 PM »

LOL  Thanks for the laugh, systeme.   :)
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 06:04:28 PM »

You can adjunct in most fields with just an MA, but it needs to be an MA in that field. If you want to teach Psych you need an MA in Psych.

Before you do another degree I would suggest you try to land an adjunct course in business with your MA. It will give you a taste of college teaching and of adjuncting.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 06:07:34 PM »

PS: The "gay agenda" is to have the same rights that you currently enjoy.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2011, 07:34:01 PM »


Online PhDs are not well regarded in academia.  Liberty is not well regarded in academia.  Do both?  You'd probably be better off with no PhD at all. 

And, by the way, it has nothing to do at all about being a Christian university.  Nothing whatsoever.  There are very well regarded Christian colleges and universities in the US.  Georgetown, Holy Cross, and Boston College come to mind.

In any case, you're sure to get an adjunct job with an MBA at one of those big online universities.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 08:02:51 PM »


As long as you believe that there is a "gay agenda", you are not fit to be a psychologist, counselor, or a social worker.  I don't want somebody with this belief telling teenagers who are attracted to individuals of the same sex that what they feel is evil and if they give into it they will burn in hell.  I don't want you telling these teenagers or adults that it is their "choice" to be gay.  I want you to stay as far away from people in the need of mental health counseling as possible.

Aside from that, you are unfit to help any person with any issue.  The belief in a "gay agenda" comes from a place of intolerance and hate.  It come from your fear of people because they are different, and from your desire to force your own beliefs on other individuals, without regard for the harm it may cause them.  This lack of tolerance and empathy is a toxic mix, and with that mix in your mind, I cannot believe that you will be able to help other people.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 08:11:59 PM »


Online PhDs are not well regarded in academia.  Liberty is not well regarded in academia.  Do both?  You'd probably be better off with no PhD at all. 

And, by the way, it has nothing to do at all about being a Christian university.  Nothing whatsoever.  There are very well regarded Christian colleges and universities in the US.  Georgetown, Holy Cross, and Boston College come to mind.

In any case, you're sure to get an adjunct job with an MBA at one of those big online universities.

Someone who is seriously considering Liberty probably would not consider any of the three colleges you name to be "Christian."
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 11:01:53 PM »

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comes from a place of intolerance and hate.

The only thing that comes from a place of intolerance and hate is your post.

To the original poster:  Have you ever thought about a theology degree?  I am applying to Catholic's MA/PHD sequence. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 11:20:41 PM »

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comes from a place of intolerance and hate.

The only thing that comes from a place of intolerance and hate is your post.


Oh, are you also afraid of the "gay agenda"?
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 11:36:14 PM »

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comes from a place of intolerance and hate.

The only thing that comes from a place of intolerance and hate is your post.

To the original poster:  Have you ever thought about a theology degree?  I am applying to Catholic's MA/PHD sequence. 



If lasquires is correct,


Someone who is seriously considering Liberty probably would not consider any of the three colleges you name to be "Christian."


Then the OP probably wouldn't consider CUA Christian, either.

But I'd also doubt that is much call for adjuncts who want to teach theology online.  (The sort of job the OP is after.) 
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 12:11:49 AM »

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comes from a place of intolerance and hate.

The only thing that comes from a place of intolerance and hate is your post.

To the original poster:  Have you ever thought about a theology degree?  I am applying to Catholic's MA/PHD sequence. 




I doubt one who shows an interest in Liberty will come back to the fold so easily.

It's true Liberty has a really terrible reputation. There are plenty of religious schools out there. Plenty of non-Catholic ones as I imagine you might prefer.

I'm afraid I share mouseman's gut feeling (namely a clenching of my gut) at the prospect of someone who uses the expression "gay agenda" may find themselves counseling and teaching others about anything.  I'm aware some people might not think LGBT people are "going to hell" but rather will think gay people are simply misguided or confused or fine but not quite moral or good enough to be parents. Even that less hostile view is hurtful and one that could very likely come through in counseling or class discussions.

However, I want everyone to strive for and even reach fulfillment.

Depending on your location you might, hopeandfaith, simply begin sending out queries to local institutions. My mother has a Masters in one field but has been teaching as an adjunct in a totally unrelated field at a variety of universities these last years. Of course her field is in high demand. In fact, she was unsuccessful at getting a counseling position at any highschool or college. Well, that didn't have to do with the lack of positions available. In our area, people didn't want to give a Hispanic the position (as some people told her quite explicitly).

I'd first try to make some contacts and see what the norm is in your area. Check and see what other people who are adjuncting seem to have as degrees. Maybe you can find out whether they have an M.A. or Ph.D in the same or different disciplines. If these are not posted on a website it might take contacting some folks. In that case you will have to be positive, delicate, and diplomatic. It was not diplomatic to post here with your view on homosexuality slipping through. That is the sort of thing you'd have to watch.  I too would like to end up at a religious institution but I wouldn't be happy to hear someone fretting about what gay folk want. You shouldn't think you can be more at ease with those at a religious institution in other words. You may find after being there a while what you do and don't share but don't go in assuming too much of anything.

My guess is that contact with a wider group of people including gay people.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2011, 12:19:46 AM »

I heard from an alum this past weekend that a group of Wheaton students and alumni have recently formed an LGBTQ alliance and that the (famously conservative) administration is being pretty cool about it.

So follow merce's advice and don't assume that even conservative evangelical colleges will be receptive to overt avowals of homophobia.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2011, 11:55:46 AM »

What if the original poster wants to counsel people toward overcoming their homosexuality?  I know that there are support groups toward that aim, such as Courage.  Perhaps they could use practicing psychologists or counselors in their ministry.  (Courage is specifically a Roman Catholic apostolate, though there may be other such groups associated with non-Catholic ecclesial communities.) 
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2011, 11:59:51 AM »

What if the original poster wants to counsel people toward overcoming their homosexuality?  I know that there are support groups toward that aim, such as Courage.  Perhaps they could use practicing psychologists or counselors in their ministry.  (Courage is specifically a Roman Catholic apostolate, though there may be other such groups associated with non-Catholic ecclesial communities.) 

If by "overcoming" you mean telling them how to ignore it, then one should keep one's homophobia to oneself.

If by "overcoming" you mean accepting oneself and learning to cope with homophobes, then by all means.
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