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mingus
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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2011, 07:01:19 PM »

So, by your reckoning, I am working but not getting paid for it.  How is that equivalent to costing me nothing?

Huh - you said that what you earn is what goes in your account. Not me. So according to you taxes, health insurance etc. don't come out of what you earn...

No, go back and read it all.  I made a statement about what I get paid , not what I earn.    There is a difference between "what I get paid" and "what I should get paid"/"what I earn".  The difference is a cost to me. 
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wegie
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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2011, 07:45:07 PM »

What I'd really be interested in is a response to this from an early post:
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At Sheffield, for example (as of July 2010), there is an Introductory Zone, steps 1-5 (~54-61k), and then Band 1, 2, and 3, ranging all the way from 63k to 107k: http://www.shef.ac.uk/hr/reward/professorial/structure
What I don't know is if this Sheffield structure is more-or-less universal among UK universities, or if my prospective uni has a similar structure.

How is entry into the bands determined, and is the entry point negotiable?

It really completely depends on the university. As I said, at my last employer the only published pay scale is the single spine point 53, and recruitment literature all says that salaries are based on experience. Meanwhile, over at WH's alma mater, the Fenland Polytechnical Institute "The base annual salary for a Professor is £64,637.  In addition there are four Contribution Bands, each made up of six steps, taking the maximum professorial salary at the top of Band 4 to £131,395.  Salary on appointment will be determined by the Vice-Chancellor. Professorial salaries are reviewed periodically on the basis of research, teaching and general contribution, by the Vice-Chancellor with the assistance of a small Advisory Committee." (text blatantly coped from a current advert).

From the point of view of somebody who never aspired to professorial heights, but who has worked for a fair few people who are professors and a few who went on the be VCs, what matters is your research, your publication record, and the contribution you will make to the university after appointment. Bluntly, at a Russell Group university, getting to the top of the REF pile is what counts, as that's where the money is. If your research will do well in the REF, you will do well in the salary stakes.

Personally, Sheffield's "Introductory Band" is what I'd expect to see at the top end of the Reader scale rather than the Professorial scale, but that's probably too long down in the softy south talking ;-)
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lampard
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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2011, 09:10:41 PM »

Wegie,
Useful information, thanks. I've been told there's a Professor job in my field upcoming at Fenland PI, actually, but that might be a bit of a stretch for me. Got a rejection letter, or email, rather, from it's older sibling uni just today, in fact.

So it sounds like the salary on appointment might be negotiable at my prospective somewhat more modest institution.
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wegie
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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2011, 09:42:01 PM »

I've been told there's a Professor job in my field upcoming at Fenland PI, actually, but that might be a bit of a stretch for me. Got a rejection letter, or email, rather, from it's older sibling uni just today, in fact.

There will be other jobs at Elder Sibling. And the good thing about Elder Sibling is that the college emoluments that go with a SL/Reader post really make up for a lot. Ten meals a week and subsidised housing make the place a lot more attractive than if you're having to find your housing and food out of your salary.

So it sounds like the salary on appointment might be negotiable at my prospective somewhat more modest institution.

Once you're at the professorial level over here, most things are negotiable as long as you churn out the research. If you're in an applicable social science, don't forget to look as well at the rules for consultancy, company directorships, and intellectual property (which, like the professorial pay scale, vary widely between institutions).
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lampard
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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2011, 10:18:41 PM »

Oh, churn I do.
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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2011, 05:26:59 AM »

At my Russell Group there is no ceiling on the top professorial zone. If they want you that much and think you are worth £100K or £150K you might be paid it.
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