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Author Topic: Do we buy this tale? Span prof fired for her Peninsular accent.  (Read 9940 times)
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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2011, 04:17:45 PM »

The people who write the marginal comments in the teacher's editions are from some foreign galaxy.  Here's a gem from my 3rd semester book regarding the use of grammatical terms:  "The vast majority of students in intermediate Spanish will not become Spanish majors but rather will use the language in their careers." (thus it's OK if they don't know the grammar terms as long as they use the verbs correctly).
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Ha!
I believe you are citing my old professor who was very adamant that grammatical terms are not necessary in the SLA classroom. I liked how that system worked. Now I´ve moved to places with different theories and I feel all wishy washy. I miss having a structure that came from adhering to a hardcore philosophy whether I was a disciple or not.

My dad also wrote textbooks and when I was in HS and college I wrote those little blurbs for him.
Ha!
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« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2011, 12:32:53 PM »

I don't see why anyone would doubt that someone could get fired for this.  It has so many features in it that could lead to a firing.  It has faculty factions over areas of focus in the Latin America vs Europe component.  It has an ideological component in the oppressors vs oppressed for the politically correct (there certainly aren't any of THOSE in academia).  More importantly, very few college students had Peninsular Spanish in high school.  To them, this professor is hard to understand and talking funny.  It is also doubtful that they would really be eager to learn new pronunciations of things they had already learned from high school. Now, this wouldn't be as problematic for upper-level Spanish majors who should be exposed to the Peninsular accent, but as a lecturer(?) she probably would have been relegated to the service courses full of students trying to get their foreign language requirement over with. 

At my school, an English professor was let go after too many students complained that they couldn't understand the way he talked.  He was from New England.
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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2011, 12:45:09 PM »

There are people out there teaching Spanish with atrocious American accents - yes, at the college level. I know several PhD's who never really got the accent down. So yes, it would shock me that someone lost their job just for their Peninsular accent.
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2011, 12:51:12 PM »

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At my school, an English professor was let go after too many students complained that they couldn't understand the way he talked.  He was from New England.

Haha.

Not so funny for him I suppose.
And people don't see the point of tenure. Really!
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2011, 01:00:28 PM »

I don't see why anyone would doubt that someone could get fired for this.  It has so many features in it that could lead to a firing.  It has faculty factions over areas of focus in the Latin America vs Europe component.  It has an ideological component in the oppressors vs oppressed for the politically correct (there certainly aren't any of THOSE in academia).  More importantly, very few college students had Peninsular Spanish in high school.  To them, this professor is hard to understand and talking funny.  It is also doubtful that they would really be eager to learn new pronunciations of things they had already learned from high school. Now, this wouldn't be as problematic for upper-level Spanish majors who should be exposed to the Peninsular accent, but as a lecturer(?) she probably would have been relegated to the service courses full of students trying to get their foreign language requirement over with. 

At my school, an English professor was let go after too many students complained that they couldn't understand the way he talked.  He was from New England.

This brings back a nightmare year of high school, my second year of Spanish.  The first-year class was taught by a Latin American.  The second-year class was taught by a Castilian (I remember how often she employed that label for herself with pride) who told us that everything that we had learned in the first year was wrong. 

Many of us shut down, stammering through spoken exercises, knowing that we would get yelled at (in Spanish, of course), and giving up on further foreign-language studies.  I regret that so much to this day -- but remain grateful for that first-year class, as some of it comes back to me when we're in Latin American countries.

I also recall that the Castilian instructor was gone from my high school after that year.  I hope that this article is not indicative of similar impact on students of such intradepartmental warfare.
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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2011, 01:19:45 PM »

I don't see why anyone would doubt that someone could get fired for this.  It has so many features in it that could lead to a firing.  It has faculty factions over areas of focus in the Latin America vs Europe component.  It has an ideological component in the oppressors vs oppressed for the politically correct (there certainly aren't any of THOSE in academia).  More importantly, very few college students had Peninsular Spanish in high school.  To them, this professor is hard to understand and talking funny.  It is also doubtful that they would really be eager to learn new pronunciations of things they had already learned from high school. Now, this wouldn't be as problematic for upper-level Spanish majors who should be exposed to the Peninsular accent, but as a lecturer(?) she probably would have been relegated to the service courses full of students trying to get their foreign language requirement over with. 

At my school, an English professor was let go after too many students complained that they couldn't understand the way he talked.  He was from New England.

This brings back a nightmare year of high school, my second year of Spanish.  The first-year class was taught by a Latin American.  The second-year class was taught by a Castilian (I remember how often she employed that label for herself with pride) who told us that everything that we had learned in the first year was wrong. 

Many of us shut down, stammering through spoken exercises, knowing that we would get yelled at (in Spanish, of course), and giving up on further foreign-language studies.  I regret that so much to this day -- but remain grateful for that first-year class, as some of it comes back to me when we're in Latin American countries.

I also recall that the Castilian instructor was gone from my high school after that year.  I hope that this article is not indicative of similar impact on students of such intradepartmental warfare.

Such an instructor would not be fired for their accent, but for their chauvinism which was affecting student learning. There is no Latin American accent - each region has very distinct accents and even native speakers have a hard time understanding the Caribbean accent at first when it isn't "normalized" at all.
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2011, 01:31:50 PM »

I don't see why anyone would doubt that someone could get fired for this.  It has so many features in it that could lead to a firing.  It has faculty factions over areas of focus in the Latin America vs Europe component.  It has an ideological component in the oppressors vs oppressed for the politically correct (there certainly aren't any of THOSE in academia).  More importantly, very few college students had Peninsular Spanish in high school.  To them, this professor is hard to understand and talking funny.  It is also doubtful that they would really be eager to learn new pronunciations of things they had already learned from high school. Now, this wouldn't be as problematic for upper-level Spanish majors who should be exposed to the Peninsular accent, but as a lecturer(?) she probably would have been relegated to the service courses full of students trying to get their foreign language requirement over with. 

At my school, an English professor was let go after too many students complained that they couldn't understand the way he talked.  He was from New England.

This brings back a nightmare year of high school, my second year of Spanish.  The first-year class was taught by a Latin American.  The second-year class was taught by a Castilian (I remember how often she employed that label for herself with pride) who told us that everything that we had learned in the first year was wrong. 

Many of us shut down, stammering through spoken exercises, knowing that we would get yelled at (in Spanish, of course), and giving up on further foreign-language studies.  I regret that so much to this day -- but remain grateful for that first-year class, as some of it comes back to me when we're in Latin American countries.

I also recall that the Castilian instructor was gone from my high school after that year.  I hope that this article is not indicative of similar impact on students of such intradepartmental warfare.

Such an instructor would not be fired for their accent, but for their chauvinism which was affecting student learning. There is no Latin American accent - each region has very distinct accents and even native speakers have a hard time understanding the Caribbean accent at first when it isn't "normalized" at all.

Yes, of course, as a student, I could have had no idea of the rationale for the instructor's departure; for all I know, she was only a temp while another instructor was on leave or was not retained for other reasons.

(But the chauvinism, as you put it well, was an education of another sort, at least -- similar to the schisms in local ethnic communities for other reasons, usually religious ones, of which I began to become aware then, and those made an indelible mark as well.)
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2011, 04:07:27 PM »

And in France...

That annoying consistent pretense that the proper pronunciation of the ô or the i or the é rendered one more or less French is in dispute.
Yay!

A nice little Bugger Off from the presidential candidate to all those who have criticized her accent.
Like Karl Lagerfeld who says her accent is an insult to French!


I represent the France that does not accept discrimination or ghettoization.
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A France a little more Ethical and Just/Fair.
Douce France, cher pays de mon enfance...
Bravo!
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