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conjugate
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 11:15:37 AM »

I get the same "but I am an A-student at VastlySuperiortoThisU" in my face to face classes as well.  They are genuinely surprised that my college course here at NEStateU is actually a real college course.

I dread having to deal with this in online format in two weeks...

This might be an opportunity for the "Yeah, so was I.  What a surprise to find the high standards here, eh?" approach.  Or, "Yes, when I was at IncrediblyElitePrivateU, I could expect much more than this from all my students.  I'm glad to see you realize now that these standards aren't so tough, and look forward to seeing a great improvement from you."

For some reason, when I (deliberately) misunderstand the implicit request to grade them more gently, they eventually back off.  It might work for you.  Good luck.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 12:09:38 PM »

I get the same "but I am an A-student at VastlySuperiortoThisU" in my face to face classes as well.  They are genuinely surprised that my college course here at NEStateU is actually a real college course.

I dread having to deal with this in online format in two weeks...

This might be an opportunity for the "Yeah, so was I.  What a surprise to find the high standards here, eh?" approach.  Or, "Yes, when I was at IncrediblyElitePrivateU, I could expect much more than this from all my students.  I'm glad to see you realize now that these standards aren't so tough, and look forward to seeing a great improvement from you."

For some reason, when I (deliberately) misunderstand the implicit request to grade them more gently, they eventually back off.  It might work for you.  Good luck.


Oooh, I'm stealing this idea, Conjugate.  I had been just flat out saying, "This course has to transfer to Flagship U and Neighboring State Big U.  Therefore, I grade you on the equivalent of what is required there.  The benefit of taking the class here is that we have small enough classes that you can get personal attention by bringing your questions to class and asking during the small group work session or coming to student hours."

Of course, I have far fewer of those complaints than "Nobody could possibly do this work" for my third-grade-level inquiry activities that require arithmetic, but that's a different complaint.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2011, 09:20:55 AM »

I get the same "but I am an A-student at VastlySuperiortoThisU" in my face to face classes as well.  They are genuinely surprised that my college course here at NEStateU is actually a real college course.
I dread having to deal with this in online format in two weeks...
This might be an opportunity for the "Yeah, so was I.  What a surprise to find the high standards here, eh?" approach.  Or, "Yes, when I was at IncrediblyElitePrivateU, I could expect much more than this from all my students.  I'm glad to see you realize now that these standards aren't so tough, and look forward to seeing a great improvement from you."
For some reason, when I (deliberately) misunderstand the implicit request to grade them more gently, they eventually back off.  It might work for you.  Good luck.

I love it!.. Stealing this in 3...2...1....
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2011, 10:06:42 AM »

So happy this summer course is over. All of the clueless dropped it and all the good students stayed, but that used to be 2/3 of the class, now it is 1/2.

"I'll Be Seeing You" as sung by Billie Holiday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXLB32n6lq8
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 10:23:02 AM »

So happy this summer course is over. All of the clueless dropped it and all the good students stayed, but that used to be 2/3 of the class, now it is 1/2.

"I'll Be Seeing You" as sung by Billie Holiday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXLB32n6lq8

Tomorrow, Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow,
I'll submit grades....

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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2011, 03:50:39 PM »

So happy this summer course is over. All of the clueless dropped it and all the good students stayed, but that used to be 2/3 of the class, now it is 1/2.

"I'll Be Seeing You" as sung by Billie Holiday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXLB32n6lq8

As long as your pay isn't dependent upon retention rates, you're good.  Congratulations.
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 06:01:27 PM »

Yeah, my online class last summer was brain-dead.  There was a thread about it under that title. The same class this year is a vast improvement.  Just luck of the draw.  ANother anomaly: The class is currently working in 4 groups, with a report-back due tomorrow.  5 of the worst students coincidentally happen to be in the same alphabetically selected group, and have done almost zilch.  I could have reorganized the group when the unengaged underachievers started to reveal themselves, but why weigh down the three good groups with deadweight?  Each deadweight student is expecting someone else to carry them (if they think about the class at all) and it ain't gonna happen.  I (and my school) have no problem with well-deserved Fs. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2011, 07:36:18 PM »

Yeah, my online class last summer was brain-dead.  There was a thread about it under that title. The same class this year is a vast improvement.  Just luck of the draw.  ANother anomaly: The class is currently working in 4 groups, with a report-back due tomorrow.  5 of the worst students coincidentally happen to be in the same alphabetically selected group, and have done almost zilch.  I could have reorganized the group when the unengaged underachievers started to reveal themselves, but why weigh down the three good groups with deadweight?  Each deadweight student is expecting someone else to carry them (if they think about the class at all) and it ain't gonna happen.  I (and my school) have no problem with well-deserved Fs. 

It's nice when this happens.  It is even better when they choose their own groups and then learn that all their friends are deadwood (or, as my colleague calls them, bottom-feeders).

But it doesn't happen often enough....
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