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mingus
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2011, 09:55:26 AM »

Here is the department of economics at Portsmouth:

http://www.port.ac.uk/staffessentials/departments/academic/economics/stafflist/

Most have PhDs, but it's true a lot don't. At Earth Sciences almost all have PhDs:

http://www.port.ac.uk/staffessentials/departments/academic/earthandenvironmentalsciences/stafflist/



Good.  (See comment on isolated pockets.)   Now two questions:

First, what about the university as a whole?  

Second, do all (or even most)  post-92s have similar staffing levels?  
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2011, 10:49:34 AM »

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The situation is somewhat different for the new universities: only a small proportion of their staff even have a PhD, and only a tiny proportion of those do any research. 

This is untrue, at least for all the departments at the post-92 universities for whom I've worked. You seem to have a prejudice against these institutions which is unfounded.

There may be isolated pockets where that is true, but it would be true of an entire university.  My prejudice against these places is actually well-founded: they are bringing great disrepute to UK higher education.  With some luck, the incoming changes will force some of them to shut down or at least shrink considerably.

Anyway, if you are going to make claims about the post-92s where you have worked, then you should supply the names of the universities and the departments; then we can examine things for ourselves.  Otherwise, you'll soon be claiming Nobel Prize winners in post-92s. 

If you are going to make claims about post-92s, how about you post some information/evidence to back up what you're saying about the bolded statements above.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2011, 10:56:43 AM »

Next you'll be asking me to post information/evidence that oceans contain a lot of water.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2011, 07:44:29 PM »

Good.  (See comment on isolated pockets.)   Now two questions:

First, what about the university as a whole?  

Second, do all (or even most)  post-92s have similar staffing levels?  

Portsmouth is a "better" post-92. That's why I picked it of course :)
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2011, 07:55:28 AM »

I only half agree with Mingus. Within the post-92's there is a lot of variation. Oxford Brookes for example isn't half bad (particularly in Business), and a lot of them still have strengths in vocational subjects, partly as a left-over from their polytechnic days. Though I agree that there are some dire institutions amongst the ex-polys there are some diamonds in the rough.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2011, 05:06:02 AM »

The people in post-92 without PhDs have mostly been in post 20+years. It is rare for anyone without one to get a teaching or research job in any university these days.

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2011, 08:20:05 AM »

The people in post-92 without PhDs have mostly been in post 20+years. It is rare for anyone without one to get a teaching or research job in any university these days.



Not true.  Do your homework.
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2011, 09:27:24 AM »

Returning to the topic - teaching fellows are available in many disciplines, but yes, without an EU citizenship, good luck with getting a visa. You're too low on the totem pole for most universities to bother to sponsor you, now that the government is limiting the number of Tier 2 visas. For a proper lecturer position, this won't be a problem, but it would be for a postdoc or teaching fellow.

This isn't a wise long term strategy, if you ask me, but that's what the situation is.
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2011, 10:30:09 AM »

Returning to the topic - teaching fellows are available in many disciplines, but yes, without an EU citizenship, good luck with getting a visa. You're too low on the totem pole for most universities to bother to sponsor you, now that the government is limiting the number of Tier 2 visas. For a proper lecturer position, this won't be a problem, but it would be for a postdoc or teaching fellow.

At least at my uni, it still wouldn't be a problem for a postdoc.  For any position that involves research, we appoint the best, independent of where they come from.  No ifs, ands, buts, and no trouble from HR.  For a teaching fellow, I'm not sure.  Usually we only hire teaching fellows at short notice anyway, so our concern is more that we're desperate to get someone who can teach right away, and the visa thing, move, etc. could get in the way. 
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