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« on: December 21, 2010, 07:06:05 PM » |
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It seems to me that if students enroll in an online class they think it is easier to pass it. Dreams...
Some of my students couldn't pass the proctored Final Exam (Math) and were very unhappy. In first place with the proctored exam (they want to take exams at home) and then with passing score on the proctored Final Exam.
What is your experience? Do you give proctored exams?
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 07:40:34 PM » |
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Do I give proctored exams for my online courses? No. Many of the students who enroll in my online course are not near campus. I would be interested to know how many teachers do require proctored exams though.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 09:15:27 PM » |
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Do I give proctored exams for my online courses? No. Many of the students who enroll in my online course are not near campus. I would be interested to know how many teachers do require proctored exams though.
Easily. The students can take the proctored exams at any testing facilities (universities, libraries, etc.) Students gave to find those facilities themselves (unless in the net), inform the instructor about the location and the proctor. That's it! Then I contact the proctor with following instructions on the exams. It works! But students don't like proctored exams when they cannot cheat. I’ve been to a number of conferences and discussed the issue with a number of online instructors. Mostly exams are proctored. |
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 09:24:44 PM » |
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Do I give proctored exams for my online courses? No. Many of the students who enroll in my online course are not near campus. I would be interested to know how many teachers do require proctored exams though.
My CC requires at least one proctored exam per semester for online classes. They have arrangements with many universities and other testing centers to get things set up (as apparently Irinabaker does), but one proctored exam is required to release grades. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 02:58:24 AM » |
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I always had a proctored final for my online courses. If a student could not come to campus they had to find a proctor via a procedure approved by the distance learning office. It seemed to work fine.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2010, 03:26:14 AM » |
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I also think that proctored exams are necessary.
I learned that a large chunk of my online classes, each semester, think the class will be easier, so much so, that I have a spiel for the first week of class telling them what an online class demands of them and what has made prior students successful. I also mention the obvious benefits, as a balance, but I found that informing them early on has helped a great deal in retention and success.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 10:29:53 AM » |
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I also think that proctored exams are necessary.
I learned that a large chunk of my online classes, each semester, think the class will be easier, so much so, that I have a spiel for the first week of class telling them what an online class demands of them and what has made prior students successful. I also mention the obvious benefits, as a balance, but I found that informing them early on has helped a great deal in retention and success.
I also inform my students in the beginning of semester about the benefits and some illusions about online classes. They even take some online tests to test their learning styles and readiness to take an online course. I wonder what would you do if a student makes 20% - 40% on a proctored final exam but his (her) overall score is still "passing"? Note: I teach Math. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2010, 10:45:08 AM » |
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For the proctored exam, do all students come in at the same time, or do they make arrangements to find a time that fits their schedule? I'd imagine that it could be very difficult to find a time when all the online students were available.
I tell my online students that the course will be twice as hard as a regular classroom course for most. But for some students, they do better. The grade average for my online course is about the same as for my other courses, but it consists of far more A's, D's, F's and W's.
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 11:00:30 AM » |
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For the proctored exam, do all students come in at the same time, or do they make arrangements to find a time that fits their schedule? I'd imagine that it could be very difficult to find a time when all the online students were available.
I tell my online students that the course will be twice as hard as a regular classroom course for most. But for some students, they do better. The grade average for my online course is about the same as for my other courses, but it consists of far more A's, D's, F's and W's.
It looks I do the same. A's are announcements, right? What is D's, F's and W's. I'm sorry asking these questions. My native language is not English. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2010, 11:03:16 AM » |
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They are grades.
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2010, 11:17:24 AM » |
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They are grades.
Thank you for reply. I had to read more attentively. Two of my online students made about 25% on the final exam and their overall score was "passing". Should I consider theme passing the course or not? What do you think? |
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2010, 11:31:32 AM » |
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If you think they have showed that they have demonstrated enough competence in the required skills and knowledge to say they understand the basics, then pass them.
If they have shown they don't have the basic understanding, then fail them.
If it is unclear whether they have the basic understanding, then you could offer them the opportunity to do another assignment that will determine whether they have it. You should also redesign your course so it makes sure that you can be sure about the skills of the students next time you teach it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 11:44:51 AM » |
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If you think they have showed that they have demonstrated enough competence in the required skills and knowledge to say they understand the basics, then pass them.
If they have shown they don't have the basic understanding, then fail them.
If it is unclear whether they have the basic understanding, then you could offer them the opportunity to do another assignment that will determine whether they have it. You should also redesign your course so it makes sure that you can be sure about the skills of the students next time you teach it.
No, they didn't demonstrate any competence at all. The exam has hard copy exam. Two students couldn't even use graphing calculator to calculate a derivative! Those were the only two of all the class. I begin to suspect that those two students had not been doing class work by themselves and that is why they failed the final exam. They were very unhappy. I create the reviews for all of classes I teach and always have positive responses about the design of my courses. What else to do? |
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 12:23:15 PM » |
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Fail them. It's simple.
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 12:50:12 PM » |
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I don't teach all-online classes. I do teach classes that have online exams until the final exam, which is taken in the classroom. I would be in very serious trouble if I failed a student in these circumstances: student got a very low final exam score, so I think they should not pass course; final exam score not weighted heavily enough to fail student on the merits; syllabus did not specify that passing the final is necessary to pass the course.
You should ask in your department, not here.
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