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There are now 550 comments on "Ed Dante"'s piece about ghostwriting our students' papers. There's frothing, high-horsing, hand-wringing, and confessing. http://chronicle.com/article/The-Shadow-Scholar/125329/The practice of hiring other people to write seems to be ubiquitous, which makes me wonder: How many people CAN actually write decent English prose? Maybe practically everything is being ghosted by the same 37 people or so. I write my own CHE posts, but maybe others outsource those, too. Are the many sock puppets on the fora really guns-for-hire? Maybe the really profitable thing would be to write our own students' papers and pocket all the cash. Or just sell grades. The Fiona |
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The Fiona or perhaps La Fiona
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The Right Reverend Fiona, PhD, Bishop of the Fora
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oldfullprof
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 02:58:15 AM » |
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True dat, my queen.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 06:51:08 AM » |
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You are my ghost writer. Please make sure to through in a gramatical error or too.
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dolljepopp
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 08:51:29 AM » |
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Given the nature of his work, I assume that "Mr Dante" won't mind if I use his phrase "I see where I'm vulnerable to ethical scrutiny" as my new tagline.
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"Double standards are the warning signals of a free society." - Timothy Garton Ash
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voxprincipalis
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 11:14:34 AM » |
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I write my own CHE posts, but maybe others outsource those, too. Are the many sock puppets on the fora really guns-for-hire?
Pfft. You don't think I write those cats-and-dogs posts myself, do you? VP |
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larryc
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 11:27:57 AM » |
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A vice president at my old institution used to brag about how he had hired someone to write his EdD dissertation.
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oldfullprof
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 12:36:55 PM » |
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I worked with two psychologists who said they "used tutors" during their dissertations. Is Ed the Comte de Monte Christo?
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 01:16:56 PM » |
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I recall being stunned my senior year of hs when my principal, when I was complaining of student cheating negatively impacting my class rank, remarked that there were 'a whole lot of doctors' out there who had plagiarised their dissertations. Ah to be young and naive again. Still, we cannot just adapt a totally blase attitude towards this sort of thing and not try to root it out, right?
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 10:36:57 PM » |
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While meeting with a Dean at a major R1 university during an interview, I was asked if I derived all the math and coded up my equations for my dissertation myself. I almost told him that I had a wicked-smart guy in India do all my math for me...
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 11:41:09 PM » |
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Ooh, southerntransplant, does this post mean you've decided not to leave us?
Sorry if I didn't see your return-to-the-fold post.
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 12:00:58 AM » |
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It's interesting that this works for so many fields unless they involve math/hard-science.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 12:47:09 AM » |
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It's interesting that this works for so many fields unless they involve math/hard-science.
If only. Oh, the years I could have saved! |
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Your professors were probably afraid of your galactic genius and did everything they could (behind the scenes) to thwart your hedginess. Hedgie loves to read. |
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voxprincipalis
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2010, 08:53:12 AM » |
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It's interesting that this works for so many fields unless they involve math/hard-science.
Or music. Or art. Or theatre. VP |
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2010, 10:29:35 PM » |
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It's interesting that this works for so many fields unless they involve math/hard-science.
Not true. It's just that Ed Dante wasn't competent in math/hard-science. I'm sure someone else could do this kind of ghost-writing just fine -- if they were paid handsomely enough. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2010, 10:32:48 PM » |
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I am my own ghostwriter. Aandsdean ghostwrites all the things published under my real name.
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