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[sniperjohn50]

I signed up to post my comment to another forum, but along the way, the title to this forum caught my attention, so I decided to read it.  I can honestly say that after reading the many posts, I can't tell if there are a lot of haters in this world, or if there are just people who are jealous about the accomplishments of others and google things to try to prove some wrong.  I have 18 years as a military academic officer.  So, I am not speaking with knowledge through your academic perspectives and experiences.  What I do have to offer is a perspective from a man who has served with both military and civilians who work tirelessly so that everyone on this forum can sleep soundly at night... a lesson in respect for others.  Both military and civilians call me by my rank or by Sir.  Would I rather not be called that?  Sometimes.  Do I deserve to be called that?  Yes.  Whether you're in the military or you are walking in daily life, I believe that it's all about RESPECT for an individual and what that individual has accomplished in life.  For those of you who aren't familiar with military working environments, any civilian working with the military who has earned such an academic achievement is called Dr. by both senior/junior militiary and other civilians as well.  It doesn't matter what discipline the doctorate is in.  In my opinion, if an individual has earned a doctorate degree (which, by the way, I will never earn) the respectful title to call that individual is Dr. because that individual has earned that status, just as a Captain has earned his rank, or a Colonel has earned his.  It's all about respect people, nothing more, nothing less.
God bless America and God bless our troops! 

[kaysixteen]

SIR, Not all doctorates are created equal, SIR; that is the point of this thread, SIR.

BTW, I am not a veteran, but I confess I remain stunned that the US military has retained this archaic, based-on-hierarchical-by-birth societies distinction between 'officers' and 'enlisted'-- IOW, the idea that some 45yo 20-stripe Super Sergeant should have to defer to some wet-behind the ears 22yo '90 day wonder' OCS grad (who got there largely because of connections or money, college, etc.) AND address him as 'SIR', sounds, SIR, pretty tough to take.

[prof_smartypants]

I signed up to post my comment to another forum, but along the way, the title to this forum caught my attention, so I decided to read it.  I can honestly say that after reading the many posts, I can't tell if there are a lot of haters in this world, or if there are just people who are jealous about the accomplishments of others and google things to try to prove some wrong.  I have 18 years as a military academic officer.  So, I am not speaking with knowledge through your academic perspectives and experiences.  What I do have to offer is a perspective from a man who has served with both military and civilians who work tirelessly so that everyone on this forum can sleep soundly at night... a lesson in respect for others.  Both military and civilians call me by my rank or by Sir.  Would I rather not be called that?  Sometimes.  Do I deserve to be called that?  Yes.  Whether you're in the military or you are walking in daily life, I believe that it's all about RESPECT for an individual and what that individual has accomplished in life.  For those of you who aren't familiar with military working environments, any civilian working with the military who has earned such an academic achievement is called Dr. by both senior/junior militiary and other civilians as well.  It doesn't matter what discipline the doctorate is in.  In my opinion, if an individual has earned a doctorate degree (which, by the way, I will never earn) the respectful title to call that individual is Dr. because that individual has earned that status, just as a Captain has earned his rank, or a Colonel has earned his.  It's all about respect people, nothing more, nothing less.
God bless America and God bless our troops!  

Sir, you may find the "I am not Mrs" thread interesting, SIR!

I agree that people deserve to be called by the title they earn. I think that if people err on this, and are corrected (actually, it's not Mrs. Pants, it's Dr. Pants) they should follow the correction and call people what they want to be called, Sir.

I think that people who repeatedly inform people that it's "DOCTOR" Pants are usually d*****bags, Sir.
However, I also think that people who continue to call people by an inappropriate title after being corrected are also d*****bags, Sir.

[oldfullprof]

I'm glad no-one has called me "sergeant" since 1968.  I do believe EdDs should be called doctor, though. 

[neutralname]

I signed up to post my comment to another forum, but along the way, the title to this forum caught my attention, so I decided to read it.  I can honestly say that after reading the many posts, I can't tell if there are a lot of haters in this world, or if there are just people who are jealous about the accomplishments of others and google things to try to prove some wrong.  I have 18 years as a military academic officer.  So, I am not speaking with knowledge through your academic perspectives and experiences.  What I do have to offer is a perspective from a man who has served with both military and civilians who work tirelessly so that everyone on this forum can sleep soundly at night... a lesson in respect for others.  Both military and civilians call me by my rank or by Sir.  Would I rather not be called that?  Sometimes.  Do I deserve to be called that?  Yes.  Whether you're in the military or you are walking in daily life, I believe that it's all about RESPECT for an individual and what that individual has accomplished in life.  For those of you who aren't familiar with military working environments, any civilian working with the military who has earned such an academic achievement is called Dr. by both senior/junior militiary and other civilians as well.  It doesn't matter what discipline the doctorate is in.  In my opinion, if an individual has earned a doctorate degree (which, by the way, I will never earn) the respectful title to call that individual is Dr. because that individual has earned that status, just as a Captain has earned his rank, or a Colonel has earned his.  It's all about respect people, nothing more, nothing less.
God bless America and God bless our troops! 

So you call people with JD's "Doctor" then?  I'm thinking that you don't, but if not, does that mean you don't respect them? 

God save the Queen.

[mouseman]

I'm glad no-one has called me "sergeant" since 1968.  I do believe EdDs should be called doctor, though. 

Shouldn't that be "Sarge"?

[aandsdean]

I signed up to post my comment to another forum, but along the way, the title to this forum caught my attention, so I decided to read it.  I can honestly say that after reading the many posts, I can't tell if there are a lot of haters in this world, or if there are just people who are jealous about the accomplishments of others and google things to try to prove some wrong.  I have 18 years as a military academic officer.  So, I am not speaking with knowledge through your academic perspectives and experiences.  What I do have to offer is a perspective from a man who has served with both military and civilians who work tirelessly so that everyone on this forum can sleep soundly at night... a lesson in respect for others.  Both military and civilians call me by my rank or by Sir.  Would I rather not be called that?  Sometimes.  Do I deserve to be called that?  Yes.  Whether you're in the military or you are walking in daily life, I believe that it's all about RESPECT for an individual and what that individual has accomplished in life.  For those of you who aren't familiar with military working environments, any civilian working with the military who has earned such an academic achievement is called Dr. by both senior/junior militiary and other civilians as well.  It doesn't matter what discipline the doctorate is in.  In my opinion, if an individual has earned a doctorate degree (which, by the way, I will never earn) the respectful title to call that individual is Dr. because that individual has earned that status, just as a Captain has earned his rank, or a Colonel has earned his.  It's all about respect people, nothing more, nothing less.
God bless America and God bless our troops! 

So you call people with JD's "Doctor" then?  I'm thinking that you don't, but if not, does that mean you don't respect them? 

God save the Queen.

If the queen had an Ed.D., would you call her "Dr. Majesty," or "Dr. Highness," or "Your Doctorship"?

[prof_smartypants]

I signed up to post my comment to another forum, but along the way, the title to this forum caught my attention, so I decided to read it.  I can honestly say that after reading the many posts, I can't tell if there are a lot of haters in this world, or if there are just people who are jealous about the accomplishments of others and google things to try to prove some wrong.  I have 18 years as a military academic officer.  So, I am not speaking with knowledge through your academic perspectives and experiences.  What I do have to offer is a perspective from a man who has served with both military and civilians who work tirelessly so that everyone on this forum can sleep soundly at night... a lesson in respect for others.  Both military and civilians call me by my rank or by Sir.  Would I rather not be called that?  Sometimes.  Do I deserve to be called that?  Yes.  Whether you're in the military or you are walking in daily life, I believe that it's all about RESPECT for an individual and what that individual has accomplished in life.  For those of you who aren't familiar with military working environments, any civilian working with the military who has earned such an academic achievement is called Dr. by both senior/junior militiary and other civilians as well.  It doesn't matter what discipline the doctorate is in.  In my opinion, if an individual has earned a doctorate degree (which, by the way, I will never earn) the respectful title to call that individual is Dr. because that individual has earned that status, just as a Captain has earned his rank, or a Colonel has earned his.  It's all about respect people, nothing more, nothing less.
God bless America and God bless our troops! 

So you call people with JD's "Doctor" then?  I'm thinking that you don't, but if not, does that mean you don't respect them? 

God save the Queen.

If the queen had an Ed.D., would you call her "Dr. Majesty," or "Dr. Highness," or "Your Doctorship"?

Yes.

[oldfullprof]

I'm glad no-one has called me "sergeant" since 1968.  I do believe EdDs should be called doctor, though. 

Shouldn't that be "Sarge"?

I'd prefer "Top" or "Sar'n Major," but, alas, I didn't get near that high.  I was not a sniper.

[mouseman]

I'm glad no-one has called me "sergeant" since 1968.  I do believe EdDs should be called doctor, though. 

Shouldn't that be "Sarge"?

I'd prefer "Top" or "Sar'n Major," but, alas, I didn't get near that high.  I was not a sniper.

So I outrank you - do I get to tell you what to do?

[oldfullprof]

Still not.

[mouseman]

OK, back to asking politely.  Was worth a try, though.

[luckychance]

Exceptions include:
1. Medical doctors introducing themselves to patients who want, understandably, to let their patients know they're now seeing a real doctor, not a phlebotomy tech, reiki intern, or any of the other myriad folks one sees between entering a doctor's office and actually seeing a doctor;
2. People with doctoral degrees of any kind making airline or restaurant reservations and hoping for preferential treatment.

It seems to me that (2) is obnoxious as well, but possibly justified.

Agree on both points.

Obnoxious and probably UNjustified. I can't imagine someone at Delta or US Airways thinking, "This is a doctor. We better give them special treatment."

[venerable_bede]

Exceptions include:
1. Medical doctors introducing themselves to patients who want, understandably, to let their patients know they're now seeing a real doctor, not a phlebotomy tech, reiki intern, or any of the other myriad folks one sees between entering a doctor's office and actually seeing a doctor;
2. People with doctoral degrees of any kind making airline or restaurant reservations and hoping for preferential treatment.

It seems to me that (2) is obnoxious as well, but possibly justified.

Agree on both points.

Obnoxious and probably UNjustified. I can't imagine someone at Delta or US Airways thinking, "This is a doctor. We better give them special treatment."

Well no, certainly not those low-rent, third-world airlines. But those classy joints like United and American know how to treat their betters.

[canuckois]

Exceptions include:
1. Medical doctors introducing themselves to patients who want, understandably, to let their patients know they're now seeing a real doctor, not a phlebotomy tech, reiki intern, or any of the other myriad folks one sees between entering a doctor's office and actually seeing a doctor;
2. People with doctoral degrees of any kind making airline or restaurant reservations and hoping for preferential treatment.

It seems to me that (2) is obnoxious as well, but possibly justified.

Agree on both points.

Obnoxious and probably UNjustified. I can't imagine someone at Delta or US Airways thinking, "This is a doctor. We better give them special treatment."

Well no, certainly not those low-rent, third-world airlines. But those classy joints like United and American know how to treat their betters.

I sure hope so; I make every flight reservation as Dr. Canuckois.  I'm still waitin' for that spontaneous upgrade, though.