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« on: October 27, 2010, 06:38:08 PM »

Anyone have any useful feedback on the academic system in Austria? Is it very similar to Germany? I got sent an ad for a job in Austria and asked if I'd like to apply. I'm an EU citizen though I live in Australia at the moment. I studied German in high school but it's not good at all. OK for getting around but that's about it. I'd guess I'd eventually have to teach in German.
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2010, 04:43:22 AM »

It's pretty similar to Germany in terms of system, expectations and hierarchy (you will definitely get the respect for your degrees) but less outward looking. You would definitely need to learn German relatively fast if you wanted to be taken seriously. Otherwise good standard of living, unpressurised life as an academic, pretty scenery on the positive side; inflexible bureaucracy, a high level of hostility towards immigrants and parochialism on the negative. Basically, it could be good for certain types of people but would be miserable for others. My gut feeling is that if you like Australia, you would hate Austria.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2010, 04:44:45 AM »

At least some Austrian universities expect professors to be present in their offices 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

This might be worth reading: http://chronicle.com/article/The-Grass-Isnt-Greener/45019/
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 05:38:02 AM »

That's not encouraging reading particularly. One advantage is that it is a full professor position.

I was just visiting in Sweden and it didn't make me feel like applying for jobs there really, even though people kept telling me there was heaps of money and they didn't know what to do with it. But apparently they can't spend it on raising salaries. They all have beautiful offices though. The teaching load in Sweden is as high as the author says but you can buy out of it by getting grants and they don't seem hard to get for people who are research active. My colleague there (social science) has several grants and doesn't teach much.

I think learning to speak German would be easier than Swedish, though at the moment I can read about as much of each (I tried learning Swedish for a few months at one point) I can't understand almost anything spoken in Swedish.

I have a couple of interviews in the next two weeks here in Australia.

But maybe I should just apply for the damn job and see what happens.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 01:08:15 AM »

It's not to hard to get good skills on germanic languages, but you will prefer Australia for sure.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 04:01:07 AM »

Austria, Australia...what's the difference besides an "al"?
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 03:00:51 AM »

Apparently some people get them mixed up:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Austria
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 05:44:02 PM »

An example of the mix-up:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/korea-pact-to-speed-australian-fta/story-fn59niix-1225951491368
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 07:15:32 AM »

Well, I have an interview coming up in just over a month!
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2011, 09:27:41 AM »

I  think it would depend a little on where the job is.  Vienna's great, but Austria is not as cosmopolitan as Switzerland or Germany. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2011, 10:37:06 AM »

It's a bit far from Paris, and a bit more expensive, but otherwise it's alright.

German is usually not so hard for speakers of English to pick up since so much English syntax (except for the trailing verbs) is Germanic.

Although I still think this should be required reading for all German students:

   http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/awfgrmlg.html#x1

However a Jewish friend once noted that in his mind, because Vienna never really encouraged the return of its post-Holocaust population, its art and music scenes have suffered as a result. To paraphrase him, "The cabarets are stiffer, the cultural climate less fecund, and the sense of interactive life is thinner."

So I do think there's a certain lack of xenophilia, at least, that might still be hanging over the city.

The rural areas, less so, perhaps.

And the Schoenbrun complex and St. Stefanskirche are still among the wonders of the modern world in my mind.

The church in particular, is such a brooding, intense place...touches of sculptural whimsy (like the architect's self-portrait, peering out of an opening faux panel under the huge stone pulpit) aside. It's probably the only Gothic interior I've ever been in that bespoke the gravitas as well as the levitas of the life of faith.

If you go, you have to post pictures of the Lippizaners...<another thread>...for us!

And visit the Jugendstil museums....
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2011, 10:45:42 AM »

It might be worth remembering that there is no such thing as an Austrian.  They are Germans left over from the province of Tirol in the old Austro-Hungarian empire that collapsed after WW1.  The allies decided that Germany shouldn't benefit with more population to fight another war, so they created Austria.  The Germans south of the Brenner path were incorporated into Italy.  It was thought that they would be less of a problem that way.  Unfortunately, they became dedicated Nazis during WW2 and have generally escaped the blame, and haven't learned their lesson as a result.  I wouldn't want to live and work in Austria.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2011, 11:51:03 AM »

It might be worth remembering that there is no such thing as an Austrian. 

On the other hand, you might not want to start your visit by claiming that your hosts don't exist.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2011, 12:09:58 PM »

It might be worth remembering that there is no such thing as an Austrian.  They are Germans left over from the province of Tirol in the old Austro-Hungarian empire that collapsed after WW1.

That's going to be news to the other eight provinces, to put it mildly!

The allies decided that Germany shouldn't benefit with more population to fight another war, so they created Austria. 

Um, which bit of the first part of Austro-Hungarian d'you have problems with?

The Germans south of the Brenner path were incorporated into Italy.  It was thought that they would be less of a problem that way.  Unfortunately, they became dedicated Nazis during WW2 and have generally escaped the blame, and haven't learned their lesson as a result.  I wouldn't want to live and work in Austria.

I rather suspect they wouldn't want you to live and work in Austria, either.

Personally, if the job's not in Vienna, I'd be more worried about the food. I've had some memorably atrocious meals from tins in so-called four star hotels in the Salzkammergut and the Tirol over the years.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 11:28:49 PM »

The job is not in Vienna.
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