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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 01:57:03 PM » |
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Well, for starters, the author of the article could have tried accurately representing the contents of the report, rather than trying so desperately to tie it into the currently-fashionable "Boomers and Xers hate each other" meme.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 02:02:25 PM » |
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Well, for starters, the author of the article could have tried accurately representing the contents of the report, rather than trying so desperately to tie it into the currently-fashionable "Boomers and Xers hate each other" meme.
Yes but who wants to do that? There's no snappy headline for "report yields complex information that should be carefully considered". |
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 02:20:56 PM » |
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Inside Higher Ed has a short piece on this report (available here). The CHE piece takes one detail and blows it out of proportion, as do all of the comments that follow. The report itself (linked to in the IHE piece) is far more interesting and paints Gen-Xers in a much better light. |
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 03:18:17 PM » |
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Geez! They seem to forget who will be sitting on their tenure and promotion committees! If they can match or beat me and the folks who followed me while only working this way fine. One little bit less and I have a big red "DENIED" stamp for their T&P packet. And my personal/home/family life is fine and always has been, thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 04:39:21 PM » |
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And yes, why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way.
Because they are disobedient, disrespectful oafs. |
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 04:43:31 PM » |
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Someone help me out here, huh?
You're teaching in a new school, with a bunch of new classes, and you may not have taught much (or at all) in grad school. So that whole mess takes years to get under control.
You're advising students in a new system, and really, until a full cohort or two graduates, you have no idea how to streamline that whole process either.
You've never written a book before, but you have practice, but you still need to do that (or write articles, or whatever).
I haven't even gotten to committees, campus graveyards, meetings, running & setting up your own lab, etc.
You're also at prime kiddie-raising age, if that's your thing.
How in the f*** do these people expect to do all of that in a 40 hour week?
(I'm on the TT, btw.)
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 04:52:57 PM » |
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The Generation X professors said they did not want to be holed up in their campus offices until 11 p.m., My campus does not allow us to stay in our offices alone late at night. (This rule is not enforced at the moment, but when I fell down some stairs at midnight on the campus, my first thought was that I have to get off the campus somehow.) |
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 05:04:23 PM » |
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This actually sounds like the opposite of what we've been talking about here, namely that "older" profs had to do much less to get tenure than younger profs on the TT.
If you don't want crazy weeks, work at a college that doesn't have any (or very little) requirements for publication. You'll find that 40 hours/week is more than enough to do your job.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 05:52:51 PM » |
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Since higher education has moved to adopt a fairly ruthless business model in terms of its hiring and labor practices, why shouldn't faculty (all faculty, not just junior faculty) expect to be paid accordingly? If an assist. prof. in the Humanities starts at $50k a year, after taxes that 60 hour work week is the equivalent of working for about $13/hr. This is also the wage an entry-level administrative assistant with an AA or BA could reasonably expect to make. But a love of and devotion to the profession is supposed to somehow provide all sorts of intangible benefits that make up for the low wages, right? As long as it's an accepted practice to demand too much for too little, the only winner is going to be the University coffers. Though I know this is a different argument from desiring a shorter work week to spend more time with the kids, etc., the idea is the same--how much is your time worth?
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 08:06:31 PM » |
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how much is your time worth?
In the emotionally laden abstract, one ASTRONOMICAL sum! In reality, what someone is willing to pay and I am willing to accept. The same applies to the subjects of this article. If they can attain what they desire (presumably tenure and success in their field) while restricting their working hours as they desire, MORE POWER TO THEM. If not, I hope that a smart person who has the ability to earn a Phd. also has the ability to see failure coming and change their behavior. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 08:47:00 PM » |
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how much is your time worth?
In the emotionally laden abstract, one ASTRONOMICAL sum! In reality, what someone is willing to pay and I am willing to accept. The same applies to the subjects of this article. If they can attain what they desire (presumably tenure and success in their field) while restricting their working hours as they desire, MORE POWER TO THEM. If not, I hope that a smart person who has the ability to earn a Phd. also has the ability to see failure coming and change their behavior. This is an interesting reply. If I read it right, you're saying that it's acceptable (maybe even good) that academic positions require a lot of working hours per week, and that the free market should be the ultimate decider in whether academics are adequately compensated. Is that correct? |
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 09:28:20 PM » |
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Maybe I'm missing the point of getting a Ph.D. and being an academic practitioner. My philosophy on professorin' is that I'm never not working. Does that make me dull and boring? Well...actually, yes. But that's not the point. The point is, I went down this path because it was already my hobby; it was what I wanted to spend all my time doing. I can't imagine it being a 40 hour/week job... does not compute. If you want it to be so, maybe it isn't the path for you.
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 10:07:29 PM » |
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A prime example of what constitutes "research" in the Harvard Graduate School of Education -- a sample of 12.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2010, 10:19:09 PM » |
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Maybe I'm missing the point of getting a Ph.D. and being an academic practitioner. My philosophy on professorin' is that I'm never not working. Does that make me dull and boring? Well...actually, yes. But that's not the point. The point is, I went down this path because it was already my hobby; it was what I wanted to spend all my time doing. I can't imagine it being a 40 hour/week job... does not compute. If you want it to be so, maybe it isn't the path for you.
I agree on not that much with you, IHB, but I agree with this. I'm just trying to get paid to do what I'd be doing anyway, one way or another. |
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