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[embitteredhistorian]

I'm aware of the salary comparison data on this and other websites for America, but are there any sites that provide data on salaries at universities around the world?

[the_walrus]

See here:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/Journals/THE/THE/19_March_2009/attachments/Tables_01.pdf

for '07--'08 data on UK universities.

[kukom]

Here's a link with a partial list on university salaries in S. Korea:

http://www.academicleadership.org/emprical_research/606.shtml

[embitteredhistorian]

Here's a link with a partial list on university salaries in S. Korea:

http://www.academicleadership.org/emprical_research/606.shtml

In my experience, these numbers are pretty much wrong.

[totoro]

Here is the pay scale for ANU:

http://info.anu.edu.au/hr/Salaries_and_Conditions/Salaries/Academics/academic-staff-salary-schedule

Other Australian universities are very similar. Level B = Assistant Prof, C = Associate, D/E = Full. There are "market loadings" for law, medicine etc. but otherwise all disciplines are paid the same. In Aussie dollars of course.

[embitteredhistorian]

Re: Korea: Although it is only for Seoul National University and from one department, this is rather accurate:
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:up52zI1Qg5AJ:professor.snu.ac.kr/eng/OioDown.jsp%3Ffile_name%3Dfaculty-recuit_Human%2520Ecology.doc+professor+salaries+in+korea&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk

I have also come across another table of salaries, but they're averaged at all scales and in Korean. According to it, the average for assistant professors of all levels is 71-99 million Korean won per annum (Source: http://mlbpark.donga.com/bbs/view.php?bbs=mpark_bbs_bullpen&idx=596378 , the second-to-last chart). These are for tenure-track positions and apply to foreigners and non-foreigners on the t-t, and since there are sharp raises in the assistant-professorship, these numbers are substantially larger than starting salaries, which are closer to 55-65 million p.a.

Of course, there's a huge body of foreigners on contract-professorships, which should be avoided in Korea as much as anywhere else on Earth. Recently in the news was a story about a Chinese professor teaching chemistry at a Korean university who was earning 1.7 million won (about 1500USD) per month.

[taikibansei]

In Japan, on average it's about 676,000 yen per month for a full professor, and 535,000 yen per month for an assistant professor. (These amounts factor in summer and winter bonuses, etc.) Link:

http://www.stat.go.jp/English/data/nenkan/1431-16.htm

Note that salaries in Japan are calculated according to employee age and number of dependents.  Furthermore, one's salary is typically higher if employed at universities in the more expensive areas of Japan--e.g., around Tokyo, not to mention the Kansai area. Below, here's a salary scale a friend created after surveying 21 private universities in the Kansai area:

2007 Kansai Private University Salary Scales

30 year old Assistant Professor (senin), with 1 child.   6,964,737 ($69,000 US)
35 year old Associate Professor (jyunkyoju), 1 child.   8,444,799 ($84,000 US)
40 year old Associate Professor (jyunkyoju), 2 children.   9,508,109 ($95,000 US)
45 year old Professor (kyoju), 2 children.      10,764,173 ($107,000 US)
50 year old Professor (kyoju), 2 children      11,797,973 ($117,000 US)
55 year old Professor (kyoju), 1 child.         12,422,839 ($124,000 US)
60 year old Professor (kyoju), no dependent children.   12,686,678 ($126,000 US)

University salaries from regions outside this area will be lower--sometimes much lower. Note as well that these figures reflect the salaries for full-time, permanent (tenured) positions only. Indeed, about half of the 21 universities included in the survey will not normally hire foreign applicants to permanent positions--regardless of applicant degrees, publication history and Japanese language ability. More on this, though, in a separate post.

[kukom]

Here's a link with a partial list on university salaries in S. Korea:

http://www.academicleadership.org/emprical_research/606.shtml

In my experience, these numbers are pretty much wrong.

Just saying that these figures are wrong carries little weight unless you can offer credible proof.
Would you care to give us a list of figures that 'in your opinion' aren't wrong? It would then be nice if you cited your sources so that we could have an academic approach on this matter.
After all, the article, which contains the figures that you claim are wrong, cites the sources of all the figures in case it may have gone unnoticed by anyone.
Perhaps you can do some research on the matter so you could substantiate your opinion to at least a reasonable degree. I think we'd all appreciate that.

embitteredhistorian. On a personal note, are you Korean or do you have Korean roots by any chance?

[embitteredhistorian]

Here's a link with a partial list on university salaries in S. Korea:

http://www.academicleadership.org/emprical_research/606.shtml

In my experience, these numbers are pretty much wrong.

Just saying that these figures are wrong carries little weight unless you can offer credible proof.
Would you care to give us a list of figures that 'in your opinion' aren't wrong? It would then be nice if you cited your sources so that we could have an academic approach on this matter.

I did refer to different figures and did cite my source: http://mlbpark.donga.com/bbs/view.php?bbs=mpark_bbs_bullpen&idx=596378

kukom, I am worried that you aren't reading my posts very carefully.

After all, the article, which contains the figures that you claim are wrong, cites the sources of all the figures in case it may have gone unnoticed by anyone.
Perhaps you can do some research on the matter so you could substantiate your opinion to at least a reasonable degree. I think we'd all appreciate that.

embitteredhistorian. On a personal note, are you Korean or do you have Korean roots by any chance?

No.

[monsterx]

In my experience, while you can find pay scales and compare them across countries, it is very difficult to conclude what these really mean.   Taxes, welfare benefits, school costs, health insurance, local cost of living and exchange rates all make direct comparisons on real take-home income difficult to make, and very individual.   

[embitteredhistorian]

In my experience, while you can find pay scales and compare them across countries, it is very difficult to conclude what these really mean.   Taxes, welfare benefits, school costs, health insurance, local cost of living and exchange rates all make direct comparisons on real take-home income difficult to make, and very individual.   

Very true.

[kukom]

I did refer to different figures and did cite my source: http://mlbpark.donga.com/bbs/view.php?bbs=mpark_bbs_bullpen&idx=596378

kukom, I am worried that you aren't reading my posts very carefully.

Well, embitteredhistorian. It seems that there is the possibility that it is you who you isn't reading the posts carefully as the discrepancies between our figures lies in the fact that while the link I provided by me offers 2006 figures your link provided figures from 2009. In any case, it's nice to have more recent numbers.
Also, it must be kept in mind that there are even more discrepancies in the salary charts you provided as each chart seems to show the various levels of tenure in terms of seniority, as that is how it operates in Korea.
In any case, the charts you provided do not show salaries for foreigners as far as I can make out. Only Korean salaries are provided, and as we all know salaries for foreigners are different in Korea, especially for Indians and colored people alike.
Cheers

[embitteredhistorian]

I did refer to different figures and did cite my source: http://mlbpark.donga.com/bbs/view.php?bbs=mpark_bbs_bullpen&idx=596378

kukom, I am worried that you aren't reading my posts very carefully.

Well, embitteredhistorian. It seems that there is the possibility that it is you who you isn't reading the posts carefully as the discrepancies between our figures lies in the fact that while the link I provided by me offers 2006 figures your link provided figures from 2009. In any case, it's nice to have more recent numbers.
Also, it must be kept in mind that there are even more discrepancies in the salary charts you provided as each chart seems to show the various levels of tenure in terms of seniority, as that is how it operates in Korea.
In any case, the charts you provided do not show salaries for foreigners as far as I can make out. Only Korean salaries are provided, and as we all know salaries for foreigners are different in Korea, especially for Indians and colored people alike.
Cheers

And, as I've explained before, foreigners are not paid different salaries in every university in Korea--this is actually illegal. I am paid exactly the same as my Korean colleagues (actually, I'm given an extra stipend tax-free as part of their initiative to attract foreign scholars).

It pays to look at every individual university, instead of making nationwide stereotypes.

[kukom]

And, as I've explained before, foreigners are not paid different salaries in every university in Korea--this is actually illegal. I am paid exactly the same as my Korean colleagues (actually, I'm given an extra stipend tax-free as part of their initiative to attract foreign scholars).

It pays to look at every individual university, instead of making nationwide stereotypes.

Yes, we are well aware that YOU are paid the same as Koreans. Nonetheless, the same type of pay is only on offer at a limited number of Korean universities. We're talking at most 5%, and that's a very generous figure.

While only a limited few treat their foreign faculty fairly, the vast majority of them don't.

Have you ever wondered how much your Indian colleagues get paid at your university? After all, I'm presuming you're Caucasian since you did indicate that you're not a Korean. Not to mention the notion that receiving the same pay as Koreans basically excludes you from the Indian category.

The reputable Indian EdicationWorld seems to acknowledge it (just read for yourself):

http://educationworldonline.net/index.php/page-article-choice-more-id-2112

More importantly, on the account of several Indian professors and instructors (highly qualified), their pay falls well below that offered to Koreans. Therefore, the pay depends on not only whether you're a foreigner or not, but it is highly relevant what type of foreigner you happen to be in terms of which salary bracket you fall in.

You do know that Indians get paid much less than Koreans in Korea?

No matter how you defend Korean financial incentives, it is becoming ever more apparent from unhindered dialogue that the vast majority of Korean universities treat foreigners with a high degree of prejudice..... and more importantly, even the universities (countable on one hand) that do pay fair wages to foreigners are found to be prejudicial to their foreign students. I've come across numerous international student accounts to support this.

Therefore, while you're constantly aiming to whitewashing the situation, it must be noted that prejudice at Korean universities runs deep.

All in all, you should count your blessings embitteredhistorian, as you are one of the lucky few Caucasian professors in Korea.

Regards

[embitteredhistorian]

And, as I've explained before, foreigners are not paid different salaries in every university in Korea--this is actually illegal. I am paid exactly the same as my Korean colleagues (actually, I'm given an extra stipend tax-free as part of their initiative to attract foreign scholars).

It pays to look at every individual university, instead of making nationwide stereotypes.

Yes, we are well aware that YOU are paid the same as Koreans. Nonetheless, the same type of pay is only on offer at a limited number of Korean universities. We're talking at most 5%, and that's a very generous figure.

While only a limited few treat their foreign faculty fairly, the vast majority of them don't.

Have you ever wondered how much your Indian colleagues get paid at your university? After all, I'm presuming you're Caucasian since you did indicate that you're not a Korean. Not to mention the notion that receiving the same pay as Koreans basically excludes you from the Indian category.

Of course, non-Korean = Caucasian. Thanks--I might use this as a great example of a false syllogism in class today.

The reputable Indian EdicationWorld seems to acknowledge it (just read for yourself):

http://educationworldonline.net/index.php/page-article-choice-more-id-2112

More importantly, on the account of several Indian professors and instructors (highly qualified), their pay falls well below that offered to Koreans. Therefore, the pay depends on not only whether you're a foreigner or not, but it is highly relevant what type of foreigner you happen to be in terms of which salary bracket you fall in.

You do know that Indians get paid much less than Koreans in Korea?

No matter how you defend Korean financial incentives, it is becoming ever more apparent from unhindered dialogue that the vast majority of Korean universities treat foreigners with a high degree of prejudice..... and more importantly, even the universities (countable on one hand) that do pay fair wages to foreigners are found to be prejudicial to their foreign students. I've come across numerous international student accounts to support this.

Therefore, while you're constantly aiming to whitewashing the situation, it must be noted that prejudice at Korean universities runs deep.

All in all, you should count your blessings embitteredhistorian, as you are one of the lucky few Caucasian professors in Korea.

Regards

Thanks for the highly relevant commentary that is, well, highly relevant.

(That was sarcasm, by the way.)