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[raleighthree]

I’ve been reading all these posts about pay overseas for professors.   

I was under the impression that some hardship places may pay more, but I don’t see the numbers.  An average U.S. state school, with B hit tenure requirements, will pay right around 100,000 (plus another 15,000 or so for summers) for people teaching management and marketing—and additional 20 to 30 for accounting and finance.

Is there any place (such as the UAE) where a management professor (who isn’t pushing out 2 As a year) can make 150,000 to 200,000?

Any info would be great.

[skyrock]

Don't forget to take into account taxes. Some of these oil rich countries dont have any.

[permaexpat]

the best paid business full prof i know in the uae makes $180k per year (net since there are no taxes as skyrock rightly said). on top of that, housing, airfares, insurance etc.

[embitteredhistorian]

I’ve been reading all these posts about pay overseas for professors.   

I was under the impression that some hardship places may pay more, but I don’t see the numbers.  An average U.S. state school, with B hit tenure requirements, will pay right around 100,000 (plus another 15,000 or so for summers) for people teaching management and marketing—and additional 20 to 30 for accounting and finance.

Is there any place (such as the UAE) where a management professor (who isn’t pushing out 2 As a year) can make 150,000 to 200,000?

Any info would be great.

While it's not possible to pull that much here in South Korea, one can make about 100k USD as a full professor (after 3-5 years as an assistant prof. and another 3-4 as assoc. prof.); when taking into account the lower tax rate (I pay about 5%, but I do not make this much), it probably approaches the same take-home pay as 150k in the US. Some Korean universities allow professors to do consultancy work, which can be worth a lot of money, too. Since I'm in English lit., I don't know too much about this.

[svarela]

I work in Taiwan (ROC) and teach international business as an assistant prof. Pay is based on a national professor pay scale and is paltry compared to other Asian nations I'm told.  18 week semester, 9 credit hours per semester and the pay is about US$30,000 per year.  You can increase that by teaching one or two more courses each semester to approach US$38,000-40,000.

Students here are extremely respectful and will comply with any assignment or exercises, that part is amazing coming from the US.  We even have a national professors day and special gifts and ceremonies for those in the profession.

NBC news reported that President O'bama was told that Chinese universities pay professors about the same as Engineers.  Does anyone know what the pay is for business professors in China(PRC)?  Experience in Shanghai or Beijing?  Good places to teach?

[embitteredhistorian]

I work in Taiwan (ROC) and teach international business as an assistant prof. Pay is based on a national professor pay scale and is paltry compared to other Asian nations I'm told.  18 week semester, 9 credit hours per semester and the pay is about US$30,000 per year.  You can increase that by teaching one or two more courses each semester to approach US$38,000-40,000.

Does that include housing?

You should come to South Korea. Here an assistant prof. will be paid about US$50-60k per year starting, excluding bonuses (these can be substantial, depending on the school). The semester is 16 week, and contracts range from 6-9 hours per semester.

Students here are extremely respectful and will comply with any assignment or exercises, that part is amazing coming from the US.  We even have a national professors day and special gifts and ceremonies for those in the profession.

One of my American exchange students pointed out to me that my Korean students never pack up their stuff before class ends. I hadn't noticed this before, but it was a real eye opener.

[svarela]

Here in Taiwan, new professors get a on campus apartment (mildly modern) and after a year or two are expected to vacate.  Then they offer a housing allowance....of US$60 / month,  more or less.  Dont spend it all in one place ;)

But off campus housing costs about US$300-400 for a modern, three bedroom two bath walking distance from campus.

[svarela]

I work in Taiwan (ROC) and teach international business as an assistant prof. Pay is based on a national professor pay scale and is paltry compared to other Asian nations I'm told.  18 week semester, 9 credit hours per semester and the pay is about US$30,000 per year.  You can increase that by teaching one or two more courses each semester to approach US$38,000-40,000.

Does that include housing?

You should come to South Korea. Here an assistant prof. will be paid about US$50-60k per year starting, excluding bonuses (these can be substantial, depending on the school). The semester is 16 week, and contracts range from 6-9 hours per semester.

Students here are extremely respectful and will comply with any assignment or exercises, that part is amazing coming from the US.  We even have a national professors day and special gifts and ceremonies for those in the profession.

One of my American exchange students pointed out to me that my Korean students never pack up their stuff before class ends. I hadn't noticed this before, but it was a real eye opener.

Yes,  it is very true about not packing up before class ends ...IN fact if we go over,  no one will motion  or signal time issues for at least 15 minutes.
. Asian respect goes a long way to making the position very rewarding.  Patience and a willingness to serve them makes the job a blessing.  I wish my own country had such dedication towards education.

[totoro]

Pay for profs in all disciplines and universities are roughly equal in Australia. Assistant Profs start at around $75-80k and full profs are at around $130-140k. Well that is at the current exchange rate which is one to one, so I don't need to specify whether that is US or Australian Dollars but at which the Australian Dollar is overvalued. So the cost of living is higher overall (though not for medicine, education etc.), taxes are about the same as NY or CA, and house prices are around $500k median in most of the major metro areas.

[raleighthree]

75 to 80?  that pay sucks for a business professor (yes, I mean a first year ass. prof). Due respect, but no, "pay for profs in all disciplines and universities are roughly equal" is very wrong---unless one comes out of a community college or something.  I suppose it's good for English professors or something, but I'd never take that crappy money unless housing was 50 bucks a month.

[totoro]

75 to 80?  that pay sucks for a business professor (yes, I mean a first year ass. prof). Due respect, but no, "pay for profs in all disciplines and universities are roughly equal" is very wrong---unless one comes out of a community college or something.  I suppose it's good for English professors or something, but I'd never take that crappy money unless housing was 50 bucks a month.

I am talking about Australia. There are premia here for business profs but they are something like 20% higher from what I've heard. So yeah it sucks to be a business prof in Aus compared to the US.

[monsterx]

75 to 80?  that pay sucks for a business professor (yes, I mean a first year ass. prof). Due respect, but no, "pay for profs in all disciplines and universities are roughly equal" is very wrong---unless one comes out of a community college or something.  I suppose it's good for English professors or something, but I'd never take that crappy money unless housing was 50 bucks a month.

I suppose some places just don't recognize the important contribution which marketing, finance and human resource management have made to society.   

Perhaps some disciplines *should* be paid more, but if so, business disciplines sure aren't among them. 

[totoro]

I suppose some places just don't recognize the important contribution which marketing, finance and human resource management have made to society.   

Perhaps some disciplines *should* be paid more, but if so, business disciplines sure aren't among them. 

The reality is that Australian Universities have decided that either they want business profs who couldn't earn so much in business or who really like teaching and doing research whereas American universities have decided they want business profs who could make a decent amount of money in business. A recent conversation I had here with the head of a business/related related school was: "we're advertising for a financial economist but it's hard to hire people in financial economics (my reading: we can't pay enough) so maybe we'll end up hiring someone else".

[raleighthree]

totoro---I'm very sorry to come across so rudely.  I read your post as saying that business professors were comparable to the US, not comparable to other PhDs in other fields.  I have it now.  Again, sorry for that.

Mosterx---as for what business contributes?  My undergrad is in English.  I chose to change (as could have you) to business.  Also, decent MBA programs don’t take you without 5 years work experience.  Then, you have to still get the PhD (as opposed to taking your work experience and the MBA and making good money)---along with the 4 years undergrad, you are talking about 15 years.  If PhDs in business paid 60,000, no one would get them---simple supply and demand (a law of economics that was contributed by the field of business---it pretty much runs everything in the world).


So the US is really the whole game unless you wait around for 15 years to make full?

[totoro]

totoro---I'm very sorry to come across so rudely.  I read your post as saying that business professors were comparable to the US, not comparable to other PhDs in other fields.  I have it now.  Again, sorry for that.

Mosterx---as for what business contributes?  My undergrad is in English.  I chose to change (as could have you) to business.  Also, decent MBA programs don’t take you without 5 years work experience.  Then, you have to still get the PhD (as opposed to taking your work experience and the MBA and making good money)---along with the 4 years undergrad, you are talking about 15 years.  If PhDs in business paid 60,000, no one would get them---simple supply and demand (a law of economics that was contributed by the field of business---it pretty much runs everything in the world).


So the US is really the whole game unless you wait around for 15 years to make full?

It's interesting that this particularly uni here is advertising the financial econ position at levels up to Level E (professor) and the other positions up to Level D. I expect that is so they can pay more for the right person.