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indengprof
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« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2010, 04:51:37 PM »

of those of you that are moving to saudi to accept a position at kfupm, when are you planning on moving? are you bringing your family with you at the same time you move?
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« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2010, 09:45:31 AM »

of those of you that are moving to saudi to accept a position at kfupm, when are you planning on moving? are you bringing your family with you at the same time you move?

I thnik there should not be any problem in moving your family with you as KFUPM provdes on-campus accomodation. My family will join me after some time due to my wife education.
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indengprof
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« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2010, 01:18:42 PM »

sydney, have you received your job contract by mail yet?
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sydneykhan
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« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2010, 09:48:29 AM »

I just received it by post. I also received it via email
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aynsin
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« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2010, 09:58:44 PM »

Please read pp. 57-58 of the following report.

http://freepdfhosting.com/2057959fc4.pdf

This link is not working. Can you please post the correct link or somehow send it to me?

thanks,
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« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2010, 03:23:54 PM »

Hello!

I'd like to share an experience of an interview with a Saudi Arabian university.

Firstly, I'm near completion of a PhD (into chapter 6, over 71,000 words written overall, intention to submit given for August 2010 at a good UK university, external examiner now approached and agreed, etc.). I have experience of lecturing/module leadership in UK universities prior to take up of PhD. I also have peer-reviewed publications, presented research at conferences. So I applied for a faculty position at a SA university (to teach at its female campus).


Upon invitation to interview, I emailed and asked the nature of the interview, how many interviewers would be on the panel and if a female would be among them - I also asked about dress code, because I do not normally wear a head scarf. No reply was received to this email.


At the interview, which took place in London last week, there were two men. One did introduce himself as the human resources person who had invited for interview, the other chap did not have the good manners to do so, though he was referred to as a "Dr" and typed into a laptop during the interview.


The interview questions were bizarre; the human resources chap informed he was 56, that he had an interest in doing a PhD and did I think he was too old for this. I thought this must be a trick question, I replied honestly that I thought he was not too old to learn, research and contribute to knowledge. He said his colleague, the other interviewer in the room had told him that there was no point to do a PhD because he had four years left to work, the retirement age being 60, what did I think about that. I replied, again as honestly as I felt about this, that he did not have to take up a PhD with the view of a paid position, he could volunteer once he retires if he wished, and if he had found a subject he truly enjoyed and wanted to study to depth there was no reason why his age should hold him back.


This interviewer asked me to help him find a university in the UK where he could do his PhD by distance, he gave me his private emails writing them down on a piece of paper - I mentioned to him I had his university email as he had emailed the invite for interview, but he said as he was away from campus/country it was easier for him to access his private emails - why he thought I'd use my time to help him is, well, not clear to me.


Also, both interviewers asked me to assist them with recruiting female candidates as they had a shortage, they asked me to ask my friends to apply - again, not sure why they felt I would use my time to help them do their job.


I don't know why I am so disappointed as I have read and know about the Saudi Arab male attitude towards women, which is nothing to do with the actual religion the country purports to practice.


I was not given an opportunity to ask questions, when I pointed this out, that I had questions I was told they had another interviewee -  a waiting male, despite the fact they had allowed an earlier interviewee, also male to have his interview go way into the time of my interview, mine started late. I did not get as long as they earlier interviewee, I was not given an opportunity to tell them about my skills. They glimpsed my CV and publications list, made assumptions not allowing me to clarify. I was put down during the interview - I do not have a Masters, though I explained that in the UK you can begin a PhD with a first class honours Bachelors degree.


The whole interview was unprofessional, or maybe it wasn't. Maybe it is because I am comparing the experience to normal interviews I have had in the UK.


The interviewers left me with the instruction to get "experience certificates" from my previous employers going back 12 years, and to email the human resources guy with other prospective female candidates and assistance with finding a PhD for him. All this for a possible position as an 'Instructor' at their university!



I left the interview taking a really long walk on a lovely London day to calm myself down, thinking, they can go to hell, the cost/benefit is not worth it.  An instructor's position at a Saudi Arabian university is just not worth it to me, especially as my expected PhD is from a UK university ranked inside the Top 200 of world universities according to the 2009 Times Higher Education, a list, incidentally, which does not feature any Saudi Arabian universities. I had applied because positions are so scarce in the UK, and had seen the faculty position advertised in the Times Higher.


What are the experiences of other female applicants to Middle Eastern/Gulf state universities?




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« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2010, 07:59:30 PM »

Hello!

I'd like to share an experience of an interview with a Saudi Arabian university.

Firstly, I'm near completion of a PhD (into chapter 6, over 71,000 words written overall, intention to submit given for August 2010 at a good UK university, external examiner now approached and agreed, etc.). I have experience of lecturing/module leadership in UK universities prior to take up of PhD. I also have peer-reviewed publications, presented research at conferences. So I applied for a faculty position at a SA university (to teach at its female campus).


Upon invitation to interview, I emailed and asked the nature of the interview, how many interviewers would be on the panel and if a female would be among them - I also asked about dress code, because I do not normally wear a head scarf. No reply was received to this email.


At the interview, which took place in London last week, there were two men. One did introduce himself as the human resources person who had invited for interview, the other chap did not have the good manners to do so, though he was referred to as a "Dr" and typed into a laptop during the interview.


The interview questions were bizarre; the human resources chap informed he was 56, that he had an interest in doing a PhD and did I think he was too old for this. I thought this must be a trick question, I replied honestly that I thought he was not too old to learn, research and contribute to knowledge. He said his colleague, the other interviewer in the room had told him that there was no point to do a PhD because he had four years left to work, the retirement age being 60, what did I think about that. I replied, again as honestly as I felt about this, that he did not have to take up a PhD with the view of a paid position, he could volunteer once he retires if he wished, and if he had found a subject he truly enjoyed and wanted to study to depth there was no reason why his age should hold him back.


This interviewer asked me to help him find a university in the UK where he could do his PhD by distance, he gave me his private emails writing them down on a piece of paper - I mentioned to him I had his university email as he had emailed the invite for interview, but he said as he was away from campus/country it was easier for him to access his private emails - why he thought I'd use my time to help him is, well, not clear to me.


Also, both interviewers asked me to assist them with recruiting female candidates as they had a shortage, they asked me to ask my friends to apply - again, not sure why they felt I would use my time to help them do their job.


I don't know why I am so disappointed as I have read and know about the Saudi Arab male attitude towards women, which is nothing to do with the actual religion the country purports to practice.


I was not given an opportunity to ask questions, when I pointed this out, that I had questions I was told they had another interviewee -  a waiting male, despite the fact they had allowed an earlier interviewee, also male to have his interview go way into the time of my interview, mine started late. I did not get as long as they earlier interviewee, I was not given an opportunity to tell them about my skills. They glimpsed my CV and publications list, made assumptions not allowing me to clarify. I was put down during the interview - I do not have a Masters, though I explained that in the UK you can begin a PhD with a first class honours Bachelors degree.


The whole interview was unprofessional, or maybe it wasn't. Maybe it is because I am comparing the experience to normal interviews I have had in the UK.


The interviewers left me with the instruction to get "experience certificates" from my previous employers going back 12 years, and to email the human resources guy with other prospective female candidates and assistance with finding a PhD for him. All this for a possible position as an 'Instructor' at their university!



I left the interview taking a really long walk on a lovely London day to calm myself down, thinking, they can go to hell, the cost/benefit is not worth it.  An instructor's position at a Saudi Arabian university is just not worth it to me, especially as my expected PhD is from a UK university ranked inside the Top 200 of world universities according to the 2009 Times Higher Education, a list, incidentally, which does not feature any Saudi Arabian universities. I had applied because positions are so scarce in the UK, and had seen the faculty position advertised in the Times Higher.


What are the experiences of other female applicants to Middle Eastern/Gulf state universities?






Although this is frustrating, it is not the worse you could imagine. I personally know some people who applied for advertised positions at Saudi Universities, went through the interview, offered a job, asked to supply so many documents which must be attested by many different governmental organizations, went through rigorous medical examination and attested the results, received the KSA visa, resigned from their jobs and were about to relocate to KSA and SUDDENLY they received email from the intended universities informing them “WE REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO FREEZE THE JOB FOR FINANCIAL/DEPARTMENTAL REASONS”. After that the staff of those universities never replied to inquiries from those victims telling them why such decision came so late.       
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aynsin
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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2010, 05:38:36 AM »

Thanks for the information. Can you name those U.s so everybody knows and protects themselves?
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sydneykhan
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« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2010, 11:55:04 AM »

Please be bold to disclose the names of these universities so that other fellows know about those universities
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habib
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« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2010, 09:48:53 AM »

Newfact,

Will KSU provide any tuition support for your children? KFUPM provides up to $25,000 tuition for your children provided they are placed in schools in Saudi Arabia not overseas. Does KSU provide free clinical services? What about end of service benefits?

There is no tuition support or end of service benefits or any other benefits except the following:

1.   Medical Coverage through the university hospital
2.   Annual return ticket to home
3.   60 days paid vacation every year
4.   Transport allowance of SR 600/month
5.   Housing allowance of SR 25,000/year
6.   Furniture allowance of SR 12,500 (only once throughout my stay in KSA)

Nothing more than that even a cent except the salary ($ 4000/month).

Is this any good? I feel no. What do you think?


Hello everybody,

Hi newfact,

I`m new to this forum and was hoping to get some info regarding Assistant Professor jobs at KSU.

I received an offer very similar to what you got a few months ago.
Its research assistant professor, no teaching, duties are very similar to what you described i.e. research, lab work, taking care of equipment etc.

My offer also looks similar to yours:

1.   Medical Coverage through the university hospital
2.   Annual return tickets
3.   60 days paid vacation every year
4.   Transportation allowance of SR 600/month
5.   Housing allowance of SR 25,000/year
6.   Furniture allowance of SR 12,500 (only once throughout my stay in KSA)

The main difference is  the salary, I was offered $3000 basic salary vs $ 4000 for your case.
I wanted to ask you a couple of questions regrading the salary:

Q1. What was the initial offer and were you able to negotiate it?

Q2. I got PhD from the U.S. and two years of Post Doc at pretty good schools, several first author papers etc
How different it is from your credentials?

Thank you
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inthesun
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« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2010, 03:15:02 PM »

Google 'King Saud University salary' and you'll get some interesting information. One of the links shows that English teachers with a BA only gets between Sr 12000-14000 and another one for supervisors shows that they pay Sr 14000-16000. As far as I can see, the only educational requirement for the above two positions is a BA.
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