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qrypt
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« on: February 15, 2010, 01:16:06 PM »

A very interesting post at the University of Tübingen has just been advertised.  I gather this is a good university. 

I see a couple of threads about hiring in Germany (here and here), but with the exception of one post in the first they're not very informative.  Can anyone add anything about the process of getting hired in Germany?  Anything about Tübingen in particular?

The search function gives one result for an old thread mentioning Tübingen: here.  It contains an interesting post from someone claiming to be John Proctor...
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 06:12:39 AM »

Beautiful town. Very good university. International crowd thanks to the MPI. Sorry, but no idea about hiring practices and practicalities.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 07:16:05 AM »

http://www.academics.de/wissenschaft/bewerbung_10300.html - there's a couple of articles here that explain what materials you need to send and how the process works.

They lay out their cvs a bit differently, so it's worth looking at a few examples in your field to get a sense of the norm (lots seem to have their full v on their webpage).

Tuebingen - has a good reputation for humanities, very traditional German university, I have heard it is suffering from student overcrowding in some fields.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 10:23:04 AM »

Thanks, that's very helpful. 

I've found a very useful website that gives extensive information on academic employment in a large number of countries -- including salary, openness to non-nationals, etc.  It is hosted by the European University Institute.  Well worth visiting this one, for anyone who is thinking about trying to get a job in a country that isn't where you've lived or studied.

link here
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 05:39:10 PM »

Tuebingen was awarded one of the coveted "university of excellence" prizes that were handed out a couple of years ago which means that it somewhat less grossly underfunded than other German universities. But don't let that detract you from applying - it is simply a gorgeous place and a decent academic environment. Just be prepared to teach a lot.

If you've got more specific questions, feel free to post them.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 06:00:04 AM »

I thought Tubingen was one of the best universities in Germany. I was once up for a job at another German university, where the teaching load was heavy to say the least.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 05:54:05 PM »

Can anyone add anything about the process of getting hired in Germany? 

-You send your application (little bit different style and somewhat more lengthy than a US app, I think you have found that information already.) No references or LOR needed.
- The SC selects usually 6 to 8 people they want to invite to campus. (A typical timeframe is invitations being sent about a month after the application deadline, in certain cases it may be up to 3 months, but rarely)
- At the campus visit, at any German university: you give a research talk with discussion afterwards (usual style, open to university) and you have a meeting with the SC (type of questions very similar to US).
- Sometimes there is an additional teaching demo, meeting with students or meeting with faculty member one on one, lunch or dinner. This varies.
- The SC then decides for few preferred candidates. Most usually 3, but can be 1-4. They then contact outside reviewers who are experts in the field the position is announced for and ask them for letters (or reviews) on these people's accomplishments. These are NOT your references, never your advisors and usually not people you have published together with in the last few years. (The idea is to get independent views that point out positives and negatives, not letters that are glamorous anyhow...). Usually, at least part of these LOR writers have to write about all of the 3 candidates in comparison.
Letter writers are supposed to be given some time to study publications etc. in case they don't know them and thus usually get about 3 months. Recently, few universities started to ask for much faster letters. However, if one or more are late, usually the SC will wait for responses anyhow.
- Then the SC meets again, discusses letters and so on and makes a list ("die Liste"), usually with three people  appointed priorities 1.,2.,3,. (It can also be only 1 or two people on the list.)
- Then there is a procedure to approve the SC list through faculty meeting, president of the university and depending on state, but still in most of Germany to the ministry of science of this state. In this process, the order may still be changed, possibly with back and forth to the faculty. (In most cases it stays the SC list though).
- The the number one on the list is offered the job. Can be anything, a typical range is 6 months after campus visit.
- If you get the offer ("Ruf") you can then negotiate (or be happy and have a drink first!)


....ok, already quite long and one could say more. Hope this helps. Please ask again if you have questions. FWIW, I have seen it from both sides more than once.

Anything about Tübingen in particular?


Tuebingen and Konstanz both are very good universities. After that, be aware that University ranking is less an issue in Germany and you may want to find out about your specific field. Likewise with the "excellence", this is not for the university as such but for a certain interdisciplinary program. So it plays a role if you are at least in some perspective in that area.

Good luck!









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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 02:53:15 PM »

Anything about Tübingen in particular?

Long ago I interviewed for a job in Tuebingen. Luckily, I was not offered the position. The town seemed claustrophobic. I remember it being in a valley, very much like a university town. I had come from Berlin and could not imagine living in that place. The hiring committee was a turn-off as well.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 10:57:13 PM »

I would offer bucolic as a better description, and if you are thinking of camaraderie, you should plan on being left of center, very, very left of center.  My brother, who is now at Carnegie-Mellon, spent a very long year there.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2011, 03:12:47 AM »

Anything about Tübingen in particular?

Long ago I interviewed for a job in Tuebingen.
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