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Author Topic: The Big Lie about the Life of the Mind  (Read 17902 times)
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« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2010, 02:41:46 PM »

Regarding the time to degree issue, I too think that the figures being bandied about are exaggerated. I completed my Ph.D. in English two years ago, and it took me four years. For three of those four years, I taught between 3 and 5 classes per semester (almost all comp.), I taught every summer, and I became a parent. I do not know anyone who took more than 6 years to complete a doctorate in English. In fact, in the doctoral program I was in, there is an 8-year time limit. Yes, I worked my butt off to finish in four years, but the people I knew who took longer than four years were not teaching much and weren't parents - they just worked at a slower pace, or had a larger body of criticism to read than I did.

As far as the job market goes, I was well aware of how dismal it was and is when I began my M.A., and none of the faculty I worked with ever pretended otherwise. In fact, and here I was incredibly lucky, from the very first semester of my M.A., all the way through to graduating with my doctorate, the faculty constantly reminded me of how hard it would be to get a job and worked very hard at helping me find ways to be one of the lucky ones to land a t-t job. I was lucky enough to land a t-t job while ABD, and I attribute that success to the following: lots of teaching experience, plenty of publications, great mentoring, and a whole lotta luck.

Maybe I'm misremembdering, but didn't you do your degree in another (non-US) country?  That can make a difference in time to degree.  Not to suggest that your accomplishment isn't impressive, but where I went to school, that kind of timeline would not have been possible.  The speed demons in my class took 4 years to complete, and both of them came in with MAs.  The average time was 6-7 yrs.
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« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2010, 09:32:23 PM »

Pink, actually I did both my M.A. and Ph.D. in the U.S. I did my B.A. in my home country.
Virmundi, I had an M.A. before I started my Ph.D., so it took four years for the doctorate.
Spork, I certainly hope that prospective grad. students would not interpret my words as you suggest they would. I know all too well that most people with a doctorate in my field do not find t-t jobs, as that is the experience of many of my friends. I included the part about luck because I know that hard work, publications and lots of teaching experience are often not enough.
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« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2010, 10:09:12 PM »

Ah--that make sense.  Thanks for clarifying!
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« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2010, 10:53:09 PM »


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I attribute that success to the following: lots of teaching experience, plenty of publications, great mentoring, and a whole lotta luck.

This is exactly the phrasing that translates in the prospective graduate student's head as "if I do x, y, and z, there's a fair chance that I'll get a tenure track job."

Why not say "most people are never employed as full-time faculty, even if they do manage to finish"?

I agree with Spork's point. "I did it, why can't you" (which often sounds like it should be followed by "Nyah nyah nyah, you're a loser") isn't useful. There's a huge element of luck besides the things that a would-be applicant CAN control.

I've been on search committees, and the pool of applicants has to be winnowed somehow. After the clearly unqualified candidates are eliminated, there can still be 100 who are clearly qualified on paper for the one single job we have. At this point, luck and hunches and human quirks wind up having to make a decision.

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« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2010, 07:42:09 PM »

Fiona is right, as usual.  After we eliminate the applications that are way off, we still have 50 to 100 who could reasonably do the job.  It's luck, luck, luck. 
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