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oregonboy
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« on: December 31, 2009, 02:32:30 AM »

Has anyone heard anything about A.T. Still's PhD program in Health Science (apparently it is almost entirely online along with a Doctorate in Health Education? I have an M.S.W. (as well as a Masters in medical anthropology and a Masters in Health Education), and would like to eventually teach Social Work practice at a c.c. or university (I am not really interested in research at all). I realize that I am able to teach at a c.c. with only my M.S.W., but the PhD will also be helpful in my current career as a social worker.

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2009, 02:39:02 PM »

Has anyone heard anything about A.T. Still's PhD program in Health Science (apparently it is almost entirely online along with a Doctorate in Health Education? I have an M.S.W. (as well as a Masters in medical anthropology and a Masters in Health Education), and would like to eventually teach Social Work practice at a c.c. or university (I am not really interested in research at all). I realize that I am able to teach at a c.c. with only my M.S.W., but the PhD will also be helpful in my current career as a social worker.

Thanks in advance!

Hi, and welcome to the fora! I am not in your field and I am not familiar with the program you mention. However, as a rule you should know that if what you want is to teach at the postsecondary level, you should not even consider doing an online program. There have been some discussions of this in the past, but the Forum search engine is notoriously user-unfriendly, so I'll just share the bottom line: while an online degree can be useful for things like salary advancement in an existing job, and can also help broaden one's credentials, it is not good preparation for an academic career. You might be able to pick up some adjuncting, especially if you have good professional background, but would almost certainly not be considered a real candidate for a long-term position.
 
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2009, 04:47:40 PM »

Has anyone heard anything about A.T. Still's PhD program in Health Science (apparently it is almost entirely online along with a Doctorate in Health Education? I have an M.S.W. (as well as a Masters in medical anthropology and a Masters in Health Education), and would like to eventually teach Social Work practice at a c.c. or university (I am not really interested in research at all). I realize that I am able to teach at a c.c. with only my M.S.W., but the PhD will also be helpful in my current career as a social worker.

Thanks in advance!

Hi, and welcome to the fora! I am not in your field and I am not familiar with the program you mention. However, as a rule you should know that if what you want is to teach at the postsecondary level, you should not even consider doing an online program. There have been some discussions of this in the past, but the Forum search engine is notoriously user-unfriendly, so I'll just share the bottom line: while an online degree can be useful for things like salary advancement in an existing job, and can also help broaden one's credentials, it is not good preparation for an academic career. You might be able to pick up some adjuncting, especially if you have good professional background, but would almost certainly not be considered a real candidate for a long-term position.
 

I agree absolutely.  At my slac, we wouldn't look twice at an application from someone with an online degree.  Not even for a one-time-only, teach-only-one-class, semester-starts-tomorrow situation.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2009, 05:06:43 PM »

I should add that I'm not a Luddite, nor are my colleagues.  My department offers classes online, and almost all courses have an online component.  Because we are familiar with what online education can and cannot accomplish, we don't hire people whose training is solely online.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2009, 05:17:15 PM »

My department (at a public research university) has a program that is practice-oriented.

We would definitely hire someone with a practice-based master's degree to teach in our program.  We would definitely not ever hire someone with an online Ph.D. plus the same master's degree to teach in our program!  

We are not luddites either.  We are snobs.  And we are certainly conscious of how our colleagues elsewhere would view having an online Ph.D. holder teaching our students.

At least for us, an online Ph.D. really serves as a (strong) negative credential.  You may find it more difficult to teach if you add a degree that, rightly or wrongly, many academics will perceive as being of little value beyond vanity.  Remember, it's academic department chairs who make the decisions regarding whom to hire as lecturers.

I personally don't have strong opinions on the value of an online education, but I can state with certainty that most academics look down on an online degree.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 02:29:24 AM »

A.T. Still is not a bad school...nor is it a fly-by-night online institution.  However, the reputation isn't strong enough to make its online programs legitimate-sounding in my opinion.  I personally think that the school has cheapened its reputation by aggressively advertising its online programs using the wrong messages ("get your degree in months!" "financing available!"--not financial aids...Financing...).

The uncertain outcome (i.e., the employability in academia) won't justify the time, effort, and the cost you will need to invest into this.
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