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« on: November 18, 2009, 10:55:37 PM » |
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What is the usual time to respond? Is there room for negotiation when they mention you start at Level (fill in the blank) and Step (fill in the blank).
I am coming to the realization that when I talk to HR this Friday I will still not have an answer! I will have many more questions in regards to benefits and relocation issues. I was a little disappointed in regards to where they wanted to start me at salary wise. Any suggesstions or ideas on what questions to ask or how to stall the process at least to Tuesday of next week?
Any advice i appreciated. Yes, I am a newbie at these things and it is my first full time offer ever.
Gratefully,
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larryc
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 11:23:04 PM » |
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The time to consider can be as little as 48 hours. Typical stalls are asking for time to talk to your spouse, askingfor clarification of something, and negotiating--"I am a little disappointed about the startup, could we make it X amount?"
HOWEVER remember that each time you negotiate you are turning down the offer, legally speaking, and the university can walk away and go to #2 on their list. So be friendly, cautious and don't try to drag it out too long.
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fastelg
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 11:34:38 PM » |
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larryc, as always thanks for the insight.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 12:42:50 AM » |
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Congrats on having an offer! In this market that is no small feat.
What happens Tuesday that will help you decide?
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fastelg
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 01:48:44 AM » |
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Taking my SO in consideration, and seeing if she could get a job transfer to the same area the position was offered at. A little worried about how medical benefits(considering my SO and I have been together for 5 yrs, (but are not married)...yet, and moving issues will work out. Right now as an adjunct I am on her medical, a little worried if we move and she is not able to obtain medical benefits through me, assuming she does not get job transfer.
An exciting and "scary" time.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 01:51:50 AM » |
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Fastelg, this is exactly the kind of thing that enables you to ask for time. You're not asking for much. Just explain (to the Dean or to HR -- at my place, it would be the Dean) that you are waiting to hear if your SO's employer will allow her to transfer to TTville.
Congratulations, and good luck!
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 01:56:37 AM » |
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systeme_d,
So this would not be to much to mention to them? I think I will mention to them exactly what I posted here. Thnx for the advice.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 02:00:11 AM » |
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Yes, do mention the transfer issue.
I wouldn't mention the exact details of the health insurance part, but I would ask about whether an unmarried (opposite sex or same-sex, whichever applies here) partner could be covered under the regulations of their current health plan. That's a very appropriate question for HR.
Best wishes!
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 09:36:32 AM » |
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I was a little disappointed in regards to where they wanted to start me at salary wise.
Before worrying too much about the salary, make sure you check a cost-of-living calculator (there are many on the web, recommended in other threads) -- it's possible you will find that a lower salary than you've had in California will actually give you more cash in hand once housing and other costs are taken into account. Or maybe not. But you probably want to know before you sign off on the deal. (And yes, many CCs, at least in my east-coast area, will start people on a higher step: ask how the steps are calculated and figure where you think you should be. One of my grad students was even able to get high-school teaching counted at the ratio of 2 years high school teaching = 1 year of CC teaching and start several steps higher.) |
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 10:13:27 AM » |
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We often start by asking for a quickish response-- no more than 2 weeks-- but will occasionally, in special circumstances (like for example the kind of thing you describe with your SO) extend that.
And salary around here is negotiable-- sometimes the trade-off for a higher salary is that you're considered to have come in further up the ladder of experience-related steps.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 10:52:29 AM » |
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I was a little disappointed in regards to where they wanted to start me at salary wise.
Before worrying too much about the salary, make sure you check a cost-of-living calculator (there are many on the web, recommended in other threads) -- it's possible you will find that a lower salary than you've had in California will actually give you more cash in hand once housing and other costs are taken into account. This was definitely the case for me. I moved from a very expensive city to a part of the country where the cost-of-living in much, much lower. My salary was at the low end of my peer group (when we were all on the market a few years ago), but relatively speaking, I'm doing pretty well. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 01:00:22 PM » |
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What is the usual time to respond? Is there room for negotiation when they mention you start at Level (fill in the blank) and Step (fill in the blank).
If you're in a public system that has fine gradations of salary (levels and steps was my clue, there), then your best negotiation strategy is to bring to their attention experience and/or education they may not have considered that would entitle you to a change in step or level. You need to ask why you got put in that particular slot and find reasons that they have undercounted your qualifications -- extra years of experience hidden in your background? More scholarly work than they had previously counted? |
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 01:23:57 PM » |
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What is the usual time to respond? Is there room for negotiation when they mention you start at Level (fill in the blank) and Step (fill in the blank).
If you're in a public system that has fine gradations of salary (levels and steps was my clue, there), then your best negotiation strategy is to bring to their attention experience and/or education they may not have considered that would entitle you to a change in step or level. You need to ask why you got put in that particular slot and find reasons that they have undercounted your qualifications -- extra years of experience hidden in your background? More scholarly work than they had previously counted? I do feel that they are undercounting some experience. I speak to them again At the end of the week. Wish me luck! |
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2009, 09:33:18 AM » |
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Best of luck!
May the gods of hiring and HR all shine on you this week and next. May the health coverage include your SO and may all your dreams come true. (Or something along those lines.)
Make sure you come back and let us know what happens.
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fastelg
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 10:29:02 PM » |
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I will. Was scheduled to speak to HR today, but the person was not in. Will have to wait for Monday!
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