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« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2009, 04:58:48 PM » |
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The pace at an R1 is 'slow' ? Please do tell me which ones and I will keep an eye out for positions there.
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2009, 05:05:51 PM » |
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The pace at an R1 is 'slow' ? Please do tell me which ones and I will keep an eye out for positions there.
Seriously. Me too. Our new friend presumes to know an awful lot about academia, as she just informed us on a different thread that we're all underpaid but don't know it. |
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« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2009, 05:07:11 PM » |
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Sweet...fun times over there ? I must now go look for that thread !
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2009, 05:11:34 PM » |
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Sweet...fun times over there ? I must now go look for that thread !
It would benefit from your input. |
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« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2009, 11:32:54 PM » |
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Maybe it's just R1s like the University of Phoenix where the pace is leisurely.
What are you looking at me like that for? It's a doctoral-granting institution, isn't it?
</sarcasm>, in case you weren't sure.
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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2009, 08:06:50 AM » |
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The pace at an R1 is 'slow' ? Please do tell me which ones and I will keep an eye out for positions there.
Seriously. Me too. Our new friend presumes to know an awful lot about academia, as she just informed us on a different thread that we're all underpaid but don't know it. Oh, we know it. |
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Jonesey, I know you're a being of sensitivity and refinement. |
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« Reply #81 on: November 13, 2009, 03:15:06 PM » |
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The "R1 pace is slow" comment is indicative of another problem at for-profit universities. They attract students to their universities using some questionable marketing techniques. Universities like UP claim that students will just be a number at a large state college where out-of-touch professors will teach them useless theory rather than job skills. UP provides a 'real' education compared to the traditional college experience full of memorization and showing off social status.
Is this a legitimate complaint for some univerisites? Absolutely. Do for-profit schools do a better job in preparing students for the job market? I don't think so, but they are able to use the lack of cultural capital of their students to misrepresent experiences at other schools. It is an effective tactic for a couple of reasons. First, it convinces students to attend their university. Second, whenever a person at a 'brick and mortar' school criticizes the educational strategy of UP or UP similar schools, students have already been told about these snobs at pretentious, old-money schools.
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« Reply #82 on: November 13, 2009, 03:19:23 PM » |
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I think you're right about this. I've seen that same reaction from UoP students - disdain, as if we're the ones who are out-of-touch.
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« Reply #83 on: November 13, 2009, 03:27:46 PM » |
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I've taught at Phoenix, but since instructor training and all that happens on line, I never got to see the way their actual operations work IRL. Since this thread started, I've been tempted to fill out the little "send me more info!" section on the U of Pho (how does that work as a nickname?) student recruiting website because I'd be curious to hear a pitch. But then I think I'd be nuts to invite a hardcore telemarketer into my life, if they do recruit as heavily as my students had reported.
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« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2009, 11:35:26 PM » |
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I just saw during today's football game that University of Phoenix has its own stadium sponsorhip.
U of Phoenix stadium, home of the Arizonal Cardinals.
Surely this proves that they are top-notch.
There is at least one (and maybe two) NCAA bowl games played in the "University" of PHX stadium. At one point this sort of PO'd the NCAA, but they don't seem too worried about it now. At my leisurely R1, the undergrads joke about the U of PHX all the time. Now, I've gotta get back to work. Some slow paced writing to do. |
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« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2009, 04:41:48 PM » |
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I think you're right about this. I've seen that same reaction from UoP students - disdain, as if we're the ones who are out-of-touch.
We are out of touch. We value process over (or at least hold to be as important as) results. We value contemplation over constant gratification. We value reasoning over prejudiced intuition. We value the intellectual and artistic over the practical and utilitarian. We value critical thinking over obeisance to orthodoxy. It's a good thing that there are still academics who are 'out of touch'--- but I would caution: never have the illusion that we're not the ones out of touch. UoP students, with their focus on immediate results, rejection of the importance of methodical graduation in acquiring expertise, consumer orientation and careerist goals are very much the ones in step with the zeitgeist here. |
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« Reply #86 on: November 20, 2009, 07:04:47 AM » |
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I'm not sure how you work out what the zeitgeist is and why you think that careerism and consumerism have the upper hand over the intellectual and artistic. But I don't see it as such a simple matter. Parents are still sending their students to good colleges, politicians are still at least giving lip service in public discourse to the higher values, and we still have a rich intellectual and artistic life in universities. It is true that students are preferring to major in finance and marketing rather than philosophy, but I don't blame them for that.
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« Reply #87 on: November 20, 2009, 10:02:31 AM » |
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I sensed a little sarcasm in post_functional's response. Perhaps I'm wrong?
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« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2009, 11:06:20 AM » |
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I sensed bitterness and cynicism, but it also seemed heart-felt to me.
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