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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2009, 09:42:58 PM » |
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This article seems to assume that graduate students somehow want to have babies, and are not having them. Is that a given that students or certain ages WANT to have children? As in, "I want to go to graduate school-I guess I just won't be able to have a baby."
When I was in grad school ('98 to '03), a lot of other students wanted to have children. Many were married when they entered, or got married within the first couple of years. It's very common for couples that have been married for two or three years to want a baby. |
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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2009, 10:03:26 PM » |
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In my physics department, the few students I knew who had kids would have the stork show up about one year or less from graduation. I think some of the students from China were more likely to have a spouse and kids with them during their whole time in school. I have no idea how they managed that financially.
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2009, 04:19:28 PM » |
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This is another reason why online doctoral programs are well suited for the adult learner. If you want to start a family, apply your education, and establish yourself in your chosen career, you can. If you chose to go straight from undergrad to a B&M graduate school and not work, then you will have to sacrifice something...money, flexibility, and sometimes a family.
It should pay off in the end.
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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2009, 05:03:47 PM » |
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This is another reason why online doctoral programs are well suited for the adult learner. If you want to start a family, apply your education, and establish yourself in your chosen career, you can. If you chose to go straight from undergrad to a B&M graduate school and not work, then you will have to sacrifice something...money, flexibility, and sometimes a family.
It should pay off in the end.
Would everyone here who has an academic job and a PhD from an online program please raise their hand? |
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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2009, 05:37:58 PM » |
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I have two children. I had one when I was in grad school, but I was writing my dissertation and teaching one course (in the humanities). It worked out for me because my husband had a job. Money was exceptionally tight, and having the baby then meant that it took us longer to get out of debt. But we wanted children and were lucky enough to have one when there was some flexibility in my program. A lot of people aren't so lucky.
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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2009, 06:04:45 PM » |
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This is another reason why online doctoral programs are well suited for the adult learner. If you want to start a family, apply your education, and establish yourself in your chosen career, you can. If you chose to go straight from undergrad to a B&M graduate school and not work, then you will have to sacrifice something...money, flexibility, and sometimes a family.
It should pay off in the end.
Would everyone here who has an academic job and a PhD from an online program please raise their hand? Why--you're not saying that for academic careers, an online Ph.D. is not usually considered to be equivalent in value to the training provided by a traditional Ph.D.? Are you? |
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« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2009, 06:36:50 PM » |
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God, i hope so.
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« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2009, 08:35:17 PM » |
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It would have been useful for the writer to look at trends/ behaviours in countries with different health care and parental leave systems, to see how these affect decisions about when to have children. For example, in Canada the medical costs of having a child are covered by the universal healthcare system, so a grad student wouldn't be deterred by that aspect of the baby price tag. But while grad students are entitled to take leave from their programs to have children, they usually can't access the federally-funded maternity leave system, because they're not normally considered employees for this purpose (a grad student who also had a full-time job would be a different case). Maternity/ parental leave in Canada provides for about 12 months of paid leave (divided into a maternity leave period and a parental leave period), and so there is a powerful financial incentive for waiting until one has been employed the minimum amount of time, before taking this leave. Note, too, that parental leave can be taken by men and/ or women (that is, parents can split it between two parents, and note too that these can be same-sex parents), and by adopting parents. These leaves typically stop the tenure clock, again for men or women alike. So in Canada, against the flexibility of grad school, you have to consider the financial support that typically comes once one is employed.
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« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2009, 11:25:10 AM » |
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So in Canada, against the flexibility of grad school, you have to consider the financial support that typically comes once one is employed.
Another good thing about Canada: at least the major federal grants for doctoral students in the humanities and social sciences (SSHRC) will give you a full term of paid maternity leave. If you're lucky enough to win one, the rate of pay would be (I think) higher than standard mat leave. |
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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2009, 02:48:50 AM » |
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This is another reason why online doctoral programs are well suited for the adult learner. If you want to start a family, apply your education, and establish yourself in your chosen career, you can. If you chose to go straight from undergrad to a B&M graduate school and not work, then you will have to sacrifice something...money, flexibility, and sometimes a family.
It should pay off in the end.
Would everyone here who has an academic job and a PhD from an online program please raise their hand? Why--you're not saying that for academic careers, an online Ph.D. is not usually considered to be equivalent in value to the training provided by a traditional Ph.D.? Are you? Good point. For now. Not sure it will still be in twenty years. My wife and I had our one and only when we were both in grad school. Without wanting to divulge too much, there was a medical imperative such that if we wanted to have kids at all, we had a narrow window and had to do it, or risk never doing it. So we did it, feeling that there "never really is a perfect time" to do it. My experience has been that the traditional gender attitudes apply. I have been fortunate to find new work in part, I am certain, because of the subtext in which the males who hired me sympathized with a young new father with a wife and baby to support. My wife, on the other hand, has been met with newly formed subtle skepticism in her department since our baby's arrival. At least it's subtle, though, and not overt, as some here have experienced. |
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« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2009, 08:30:29 AM » |
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You cannot do an online PhD worth anything in any topic that requires fieldwork or labwork. Think about it.
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« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2009, 08:33:38 AM » |
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Also, many of us learn to be professors by watching our professors on a daily basis.
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« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2009, 02:23:17 PM » |
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I didn't say all online PhDs would be equally valuable in twenty years. I just said that in twenty years, an online PhD may not be the automatic cause to snoot that it is now. In some disciplines that could very well be the case.
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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2009, 08:33:46 AM » |
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I didn't say all online PhDs would be equally valuable in twenty years. I just said that in twenty years, an online PhD may not be the automatic cause to snoot that it is now. In some disciplines that could very well be the case.
Somehow I doubt it. A PhD is not just mastery of coursework, it's learning from a mentor: an advisor. You need the day-to-day contact or some physical presence to leanr the mentor's wisdom, methodologies, prejudices (so you can avoid them), and so forth. Plus the mentor introduces you to the big shots in your career, who help you get fellowships or jobs or give you recommendations, or whathaveyou. You need to network to succeed. Actually meeting someone will help you more than a cold call or e-mail will. On edit: being in a B&M program also teaches you skills like teaching, giving presentations, solicitng feedback on your writing, etc. I fail to see how being online does this. Who will you give your diss defense to? Your monitor? |
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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2009, 04:09:28 PM » |
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Are you kidding? That goes on now. My wife's outside-department dissertation committee member will attend her defense by webcam.
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