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« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2009, 09:13:29 PM »

Don't take the class. There's too much potential for conflict because of the way you perceive the relationship.
One class won't make or break your future or stop you from getting into grad school.
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« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2009, 09:36:34 PM »

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nfortunately, you constitute an obstacle to a felicitous classroom climate given your competitive attitude towards your superior.

Yes, we work on the same projects because we're competing with each other. She's reviewed my CV because we're competing with each other. We give each other advice because we're competing with each other. By golly, you're... wrong.

How will the Nobel committee decide who to award the prize to?


What color thong are you wearing?
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« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2009, 06:19:31 AM »

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nfortunately, you constitute an obstacle to a felicitous classroom climate given your competitive attitude towards your superior.

Yes, we work on the same projects because we're competing with each other. She's reviewed my CV because we're competing with each other. We give each other advice because we're competing with each other. By golly, you're... wrong.

How will the Nobel committee decide who to award the prize to?


What color thong are you wearing?

Silly Spork.  We cannot decide based on thongs because obviously they would be wearing the laboratory-mandated thong color that was decided upon through extensive peer review.
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« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2009, 11:13:43 AM »

All right, pathanaysis, I hear you.  You and she do the same work in the lab.  You correct each others work.  You, in fact, do most of the writing.  You are, in fact, except for the unfortunate circumstances of timing that place you on different steps of the academic ladder, equals, at least insofar as this subject matter is concerned.  So, here is what I suggest:

Do not take the class.  Instead, ask if she will take you on as an undergrad TA.  This way everyone wins.  She gets help with her class.  You, and the rest of the class, get the benefit of her knowledge (those parts where she is right).  She, and the rest of the class, get the benefit of your knowledge (those parts where you are right).  You can correct her and help to expand on her explanations, when necessary, and be seen as a collaborator rather than as a disruptive influence.  She will not feel the pressure of having to issue a fellow coworker and equal a grade and can simply avail herself of your assistance and your wisdom in those areas where your knowledge trumps hers.  You get the benefit of gaining teaching experience and classroom management skills as you share in the demands of teaching the inevitable a$$hats / snowflakes that seem to come with the territory of a college classroom.

Far from harming your working relationship it will enhance it.  Instead of having a barrier between the two of you for the duration of the class you can, instead, giggle together and commiserate over the cluelessness of students without the danger of violating FERPA.  As she sees just how much help you are she will be even more aware of how lucky she is to have you as a coworker.  The same will be true for you as you see just how competent she is in handling her teaching responsibilities.  It will be a bonding experience that will draw you even closer together.  It's a win / win all the way around.

I'm only half joking.  If this would work (which it won't, and she'd be an idiot to agree, because you'll still undermine her at every opportunity) you might have a chance.  Otherwise, if you take this class with your attitude, you're sunk.  You can kiss your friendship and good relationship goodbye.  As a matter of fact, I suspect you will also find yourself kissing your job in the lab goodbye.  Because, as I think is clear to everyone on the forum except yourself, there is no way in Hades that you will be able to keep from being an a$$hat in that classroom if you enter it as her student.  You won't see it, because you are blind to yourself, but I guarantee that she and all of your classmates will see it very clearly, indeed.
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« Reply #94 on: October 28, 2009, 04:42:05 PM »

I am so very happy I browse the HoF every now and then... to see the good stuff I've missed out on.  Two consecutive posts off the same topic?  I couldn't click on the link fast enough to see what was going down!

So - did the chair ever give an answer?
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« Reply #95 on: October 29, 2009, 02:22:38 AM »

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I'm only half joking.  If this would work (which it won't, and she'd be an idiot to agree, because you'll still undermine her at every opportunity) you might have a chance.  Otherwise, if you take this class with your attitude, you're sunk.  You can kiss your friendship and good relationship goodbye.  As a matter of fact, I suspect you will also find yourself kissing your job in the lab goodbye.  Because, as I think is clear to everyone on the forum except yourself, there is no way in Hades that you will be able to keep from being an a$$hat in that classroom if you enter it as her student.  You won't see it, because you are blind to yourself, but I guarantee that she and all of your classmates will see it very clearly, indeed

WTF? I've said 50,00 times that I GET THAT SHE'S HIGHER THAN ME, SMARTER THAN ME, ETC. I RESPECT HER, AND SHE RESPECTS ME. I'M NOT OUT TO UNDERMINE ANYONE., AND I DON'T THINK I'M A GRAD STUDENT (YET). I GET THAT SHE'S BETTER THAN ME.

READ.

PLEASE.
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« Reply #96 on: October 29, 2009, 02:39:33 AM »

Pathanalysis--Everyone who has replied on this thread has read your comments and the comments of others.  Your most recent post is insulting and disrespectful of the time that nearly everyone has spent trying to persuade you that YOU are the one with the problem in this relationship (i.e., TA/grad vs. you).  Your persistence in telling us that we don't get it only serves to reinforce that belief.  You have repeatedly refused to accept--or even acknowledge--the advice you've been given on this forum.  I would respectfully suggest that you give it a rest.

Take the class, if you are allowed to do so.  If you succeed in the class, good for you.  If you don't, well, chalk it up to whatever you wish.  If you succeed or not, given your last post, I'll wager that none of us will care.

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« Reply #97 on: October 29, 2009, 05:05:23 AM »

You sound sexually frustrated.
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« Reply #98 on: October 29, 2009, 06:20:58 AM »

READ.

PLEASE.

That's been our message to you.
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« Reply #99 on: October 29, 2009, 08:02:10 AM »

So!  What did the chair say?  All this talk of reading comprehension is getting boring. 
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« Reply #100 on: October 29, 2009, 11:08:50 AM »

You sound sexually frustrated.

I love spork.
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« Reply #101 on: October 29, 2009, 02:43:06 PM »

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I'm only half joking.  If this would work (which it won't, and she'd be an idiot to agree, because you'll still undermine her at every opportunity) you might have a chance.  Otherwise, if you take this class with your attitude, you're sunk.  You can kiss your friendship and good relationship goodbye.  As a matter of fact, I suspect you will also find yourself kissing your job in the lab goodbye.  Because, as I think is clear to everyone on the forum except yourself, there is no way in Hades that you will be able to keep from being an a$$hat in that classroom if you enter it as her student.  You won't see it, because you are blind to yourself, but I guarantee that she and all of your classmates will see it very clearly, indeed

WTF? I've said 50,00 times that I GET THAT SHE'S HIGHER THAN ME, SMARTER THAN ME, ETC. I RESPECT HER, AND SHE RESPECTS ME. I'M NOT OUT TO UNDERMINE ANYONE., AND I DON'T THINK I'M A GRAD STUDENT (YET). I GET THAT SHE'S BETTER THAN ME.

READ.

PLEASE.

In the future, when you become aware of how annoying you are, you will look back on this thread and think,  "Ah yes, I am still annoying, but less so." 

You will muse, "It all makes sense to me now that I understand that saying something is not the same as being something."

You will ponder, "I hope this doesn't ruin or hamper my career, because issues like this are actually obstacles to success and aren't the sort of thing you just out grow after your diamond-hard head breaks the Alansville Slugger brand clue bat."

You will reminisce, " I wish I had gotten a clue because now all I have is a stale clue and this T-shirt that says on the front,  'I OP'd on the Che Fora and all I got was this dumb clue t-shirt', and on the back says, 'I Heart my Attitude Problem'."

You will be haunted by the realization, "They knew that puppet was me because their reading comprehension was so good. At the time I was just too young and foolish to know it."

You will learn, "I will take this as a lesson about participating in online communities and not take this ebola virus level of eye-burning, flesh-eating, potentially fatal cluelessness onto fora that are specific to my specialization, because that would be bad."

You will inquire of yourself introspectively, "Did I post that thread just so I could talk about the positive feedback from my lab supervisor, completely misinterpreting it and riding positive reinforcement to the ends of ego inflation?"

You will understand, "No I journeyed to the ends of ego inflation by homing in on the one environment that would allow me to test my equality hypothesis, a class I do not need.  Because I have no life other than achievement.  But not achievement of orgasms, because Spork was totally right about that.  I should have looked into is eyes."

Verily, you will have none of these experiences if you do not learn to read with greater comprehension. 
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« Reply #102 on: October 29, 2009, 02:47:27 PM »

I can't look away!
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« Reply #103 on: October 29, 2009, 02:49:39 PM »

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I'm only half joking.  If this would work (which it won't, and she'd be an idiot to agree, because you'll still undermine her at every opportunity) you might have a chance.  Otherwise, if you take this class with your attitude, you're sunk.  You can kiss your friendship and good relationship goodbye.  As a matter of fact, I suspect you will also find yourself kissing your job in the lab goodbye.  Because, as I think is clear to everyone on the forum except yourself, there is no way in Hades that you will be able to keep from being an a$$hat in that classroom if you enter it as her student.  You won't see it, because you are blind to yourself, but I guarantee that she and all of your classmates will see it very clearly, indeed

WTF? I've said 50,00 times that I GET THAT SHE'S HIGHER THAN ME, SMARTER THAN ME, ETC. I RESPECT HER, AND SHE RESPECTS ME. I'M NOT OUT TO UNDERMINE ANYONE., AND I DON'T THINK I'M A GRAD STUDENT (YET). I GET THAT SHE'S BETTER THAN ME.

READ.

PLEASE.

In the future, when you become aware of how annoying you are, you will look back on this thread and think,  "Ah yes, I am still annoying, but less so." 

You will muse, "It all makes sense to me now that I understand that saying something is not the same as being something."

You will ponder, "I hope this doesn't ruin or hamper my career, because issues like this are actually obstacles to success and aren't the sort of thing you just out grow after your diamond-hard head breaks the Alansville Slugger brand clue bat."

You will reminisce, " I wish I had gotten a clue because now all I have is a stale clue and this T-shirt that says on the front,  'I OP'd on the Che Fora and all I got was this dumb clue t-shirt', and on the back says, 'I Heart my Attitude Problem'."

You will be haunted by the realization, "They knew that puppet was me because their reading comprehension was so good. At the time I was just too young and foolish to know it."

You will learn, "I will take this as a lesson about participating in online communities and not take this ebola virus level of eye-burning, flesh-eating, potentially fatal cluelessness onto fora that are specific to my specialization, because that would be bad."

You will inquire of yourself introspectively, "Did I post that thread just so I could talk about the positive feedback from my lab supervisor, completely misinterpreting it and riding positive reinforcement to the ends of ego inflation?"

You will understand, "No I journeyed to the ends of ego inflation by homing in on the one environment that would allow me to test my equality hypothesis, a class I do not need.  Because I have no life other than achievement.  But not achievement of orgasms, because Spork was totally right about that.  I should have looked into is eyes."

Verily, you will have none of these experiences if you do not learn to read with greater comprehension. 

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« Reply #104 on: October 29, 2009, 03:51:06 PM »

What sort of lab is this where (seemingly) endless "editing" goes on?  Is it some sort of Rhetoric Lab in a think tank?  Seriously, I'm in the humanities and I've never heard so much about *writing* and *editing* in relation to lab work in my life.  Writing up results is one thing but really...is this the main function at this so-called lab?


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