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I HATE HR.
I just went to give my tech a raise - she works hard and deserves it.
HR said "NO - there is a salary freeze for staff".
I said "she's being paid 100% off a grant, with raises budgeted in".
They said "No. its not fair to staff in the other colleges who are not grant-supported".
I said "F*CK them. maybe they should write some f*cking grants then".
Took this up to the HR head and got the raise. NO ONE tells me how I can spend my own money. Assh*les.
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Could you grow the foot into another patient? I mean, you are a scientist.
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 10:28:14 AM » |
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Good for you for fighting.
After all, if there was an across the board salary raise, grant funded personnel wouldn't get the raise unless there was sufficient money in the grant to cover it. So it seems only fair.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 10:29:34 AM » |
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Good attitude.
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 12:15:27 PM » |
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Good attitude.
Well, maybe not that good - I shouldn't have cursed at the drone. But I was pissed off. As I see it, the University and I have an agreement. I bring in millions of dollars in grant overhead, pay my own salary and the salaries of all my students, post-docs and techs, be a good teacher and do cutting-edge research (published in top journals) that brings fame, glory and media attention to the University. In exchange for this, they LEAVE ME ALONE and let me work and run my lab as I see fit. mm |
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Could you grow the foot into another patient? I mean, you are a scientist.
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threefive
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 12:17:00 PM » |
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I had a similar problem with our Provost's office.
Last semester, I submitted travel authorization forms for a conference. My grant was paying for everything. The Provost's office sent it back denied, since they had frozen travel due to LARGE state budget cuts. I resubmitted it with a great big note: "EXTERNALLY FUNDED!". It was then approved, but they told me I could only stay the night of my presentation. I complained. I was given a similar excuse: it's not fair to other faculty that you get to go to a conference. What?!
My response was similar to yours: they can get their on f'ing grants. I went straight to the VPAA, who quickly approved the travel, especially when he found out exactly how much overhead they were generating off of that specific grant. This is at a school that gets very few external grants.
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beatles369
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 09:59:03 PM » |
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I just got a funny one with an HR MORON!
Last month, I noticed a paid discrepancy with an overload course I teach this semester... after 3 weeks and 8 emails, I was told today that I never submitted my transcripts and my letter of previous employment that gave me some seniority in the paid schedule.... So aside from being an "illegal" employee (paid more than I should) for some years now I am being asked to resubmit all that ASAP!
Of course it is my fault... how about HR contacting the Dean to request these documents that I submitted years ago instead of me having to do it all over again!
I almost asked that person if HU was mentally disabled somehow which would explain HU's logic on how to solve this nonsense.
Can't wait to have tenure.
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der_gadfly
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 11:21:49 PM » |
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... how about HR contacting the Dean to request these documents that I submitted years ago instead of me having to do it all over again!
I almost asked that person if HU was mentally disabled somehow which would explain HU's logic on how to solve this nonsense. I worked at a multi-campus institution, sometimes on multiple campuses in a single semester. Each campus adminicritter (frequent turnover also) had their own files, and if I was not on BranchCampus one semester, my file was "inactivated", So, a year later, when assigned again, I had to provide the docs again! OR, they would transfer my files, and each time they did, something got lost. Apparently none of the clueless HR drones noone had thought to consolidate all official documents in the central HR office, and have HR provide copies, stating that the originals were on file in central. Finally, a Sarbanes-Oxley audit "discovered" the problem, and it was fixed. We hateseses HR |
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2009, 01:58:55 AM » |
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I just got my first paycheck and for the first time ever in my career, it is short. By hundreds of dollars. They claim there was a pay advance. No. There wasn't. They are just confusing me with someone else (there is someone on campus with a similar name). Now I get to spend time on Monday correcting their error so I can pay bills.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2009, 03:57:19 PM » |
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Good attitude.
Well, maybe not that good - I shouldn't have cursed at the drone. But I was pissed off. As I see it, the University and I have an agreement. I bring in millions of dollars in grant overhead, pay my own salary and the salaries of all my students, post-docs and techs, be a good teacher and do cutting-edge research (published in top journals) that brings fame, glory and media attention to the University. In exchange for this, they LEAVE ME ALONE and let me work and run my lab as I see fit. mm Could be worse--you could be in the social sciences, where I have to deal both with HR drones and IRB a$$klowns. If I could take the lot of them, stuff 'em into sacks with rocks, and thrown them into the nearest lake.... |
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beatles369
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 04:23:08 PM » |
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH I despise them so much...
Regarding my problem (post above)
I have tried to make an appointment over the last two days, and the drone is saying "I am pretty busy" "send me the documents, I will call you if needed".
Oh I can just wait for you to contact me...... never, I want to meet you in person to make sure you are cognitively acknowledging what I am saying to you....
Maybe HU is not human, hence drone...
By the way I cc HU supervisor each time you would think it helps.... not.
Desperate at this point to yell my frustration to those *&^%#!!@#%&**&^$#$ in more than one language!
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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 04:33:14 PM » |
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I had a similar problem with our Provost's office.
Last semester, I submitted travel authorization forms for a conference. My grant was paying for everything. The Provost's office sent it back denied, since they had frozen travel due to LARGE state budget cuts. I resubmitted it with a great big note: "EXTERNALLY FUNDED!". It was then approved, but they told me I could only stay the night of my presentation. I complained. I was given a similar excuse: it's not fair to other faculty that you get to go to a conference. What?!
My response was similar to yours: they can get their on f'ing grants. I went straight to the VPAA, who quickly approved the travel, especially when he found out exactly how much overhead they were generating off of that specific grant. This is at a school that gets very few external grants.
Oh, I had one of these last spring. Went to a trip that the U had paid for out of money from my endowment fund (non-state funds). They already paid the airfare, so the trip was approved. Submitted hotel and transport expenses, got a note back saying "denied." Why? My department bookkeeper (a saint) found it that it was denied for "appearances." I explained that it "appeared" that I would have to let my colleagues know how endowed professors are treated here, and how I might have to disappear for a while if they kept up this nonsense. The dean fixed it the next day. For some reason, I play the lottery more often than I used to. I figure, if I can draw the stupidest accounting people in the world, then my lotto chances are probably better. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 05:16:02 PM » |
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It seems to be a truth universally acknowledged that folks in HR tend to be at the very least dim-witted, and more often than not truly, deeply incompetent. In both small and large ways.
So, here is my genuine and earnest question: why does HR attract this kind of person? Anyone have any idea? This is a real question I'm posing here, because it baffles me that this phenomenon (HR dipsh!tery) is so widespread.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. --H. L. Mencken
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 05:19:52 PM » |
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I would like to provide the other side. The other day an HR employee called me to report I made a slight error on a cheque. This error would have caused a major fee for me to pay if it had been submitted. But, no, hu called me to ask me to bring in another cheque so that I would avoid said major fee. This was probably against 'procedures', but hu did it.
Hu was definitely not a drone, but, in fact, a compassionate human being.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 05:33:14 PM » |
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I would like to provide the other side. The other day an HR employee called me to report I made a slight error on a cheque.
Why were you giving HR money? |
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 06:36:32 PM » |
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I agree that in my experience, HR seems to attract some of the least capable staff at a university. Why this has gone completely unremarked upon in conference and fora discussions of hiring - both for faculty and staff - is beyond me. IMHO, it is a serious problem and if I were running a search for either faculty or staff, I would be seized with the need to micromanage the search by insisting on seeing every single application and not letting the HR staff so any culling or prequalifying.
That said, I have also experienced my first ever positive experience with a humane HR staffer, who alleviated a problem that I will be vague about. Perhaps the field is turning for the better.
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