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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2009, 01:46:59 PM » |
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If you organize by number, it's not. The problem is the profs who list the "numbers" alphabetically, making it a defacto alphabetical list that would indeed violate FERPA.
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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2009, 02:01:47 PM » |
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If you organize by number, it's not. The problem is the profs who list the "numbers" alphabetically, making it a defacto alphabetical list that would indeed violate FERPA.
I had a grad class where I was the only American student. The visiting prof from another continent posted our grades by SSN on the wall in the lab. Since the foreign grad students all get their SSNs when they get here, they were all from grad school state. Except for my sole little 033 starting number from MA. Of course, I am not sure any of international students knew that little bit about SSNs and thus would know it was my grade, but I got a tiny chuckle out of it. |
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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2009, 03:43:05 PM » |
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If you organize by number, it's not. The problem is the profs who list the "numbers" alphabetically, making it a defacto alphabetical list that would indeed violate FERPA.
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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2009, 12:47:54 AM » |
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This may seem like a dumb request, but I'm looking for a method that does not take up a lot of time, is orderly, and does not involve me having to yell out the names of lots of students.
Last time, I had students line up and pass by the front desk to retrieve their tests. This seems to have worked ok, but I am wondering what others do.
Let's say you have 100 students. Here's the best way: First, make sure that you don't put scores on the front of the exam. Segregate the exams into piles... A-C, D-G, etc. whatever seems like a good partition. Then announce exactly that... "Here's A-C (plop down a pile), here's D-G (plop), etc." You will have two minutes of chaos, and then it's over. If N <= 40 (ish), just call out names. Tell them to be ready, and to hustle. sesquiup |
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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2009, 01:23:54 AM » |
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Let's say you have 100 students. Here's the best way:
No, no. Just do what I do. Walk out into the middle of the room (or, up a stairway), throw the papers into the air, and say, "Get 'em!" |
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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2009, 12:06:49 AM » |
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I'm not clear on why this would be a violation. And I'm totally not trying to be obtuse or anything - if the papers are separated and alphabetized, and the students flip through and take their own, and if the grades aren't openly visible (are on the back, or a concealed page), is it still a violation?
If they flip through and can't see grades and the flipping through happens in a supervised setting, you're probably okay. Putting a box in front of your office or something like that is considered unacceptable at most institutions, however. If you organize by number, it's not. The problem is the profs who list the "numbers" alphabetically, making it a defacto alphabetical list that would indeed violate FERPA.
You can't use a student id number as the identifier on the list. That is considered personally-identifiable (even if it is not generally known). You could make up your own numeric identifiers or have students select one, but using student id numbers (even non-SSN id numbers) is not considered acceptable. [DISCLAIMER: I am not an attorney and none of this is legal advice.] |
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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2009, 07:57:54 AM » |
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I usually have between 20 and 40 students. I get to class about five minutes early and have the students line up to tell me their last name, and I give them their quiz. I'm almost always finished before class is due to begin.
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« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2009, 07:59:12 AM » |
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I usually have between 20 and 40 students. I get to class about five minutes early and have the students line up to tell me their last name, and I give them their quiz. I'm almost always finished before class is due to begin.
You don't have the problem of them ignoring you all class to read over their quiz and formulate their complaints? I always give them back at the end of class. |
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« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2009, 09:04:57 AM » |
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I usually have between 20 and 40 students. I get to class about five minutes early and have the students line up to tell me their last name, and I give them their quiz. I'm almost always finished before class is due to begin.
You don't have the problem of them ignoring you all class to read over their quiz and formulate their complaints? I always give them back at the end of class. I give them back at the beginning, and would almost welcome that problem. I can't even get them to check that I added the points correctly, in many cases. I always ask them to check, because I can make mistakes, but I've not gotten a complaint yet this semester—I take that back. Maybe two complaints from over 140 students, with a minimum of five or six grades per student. |
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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2009, 01:26:11 PM » |
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I give lots of very short multiple-choice tests--usually 20 questions. I go over it at the beginning of class, explaining not only why the right question was right but why the wrong ones were wrong. Since the students are not to write down the questions and I'm going over them on Powerpoint, I just whip through them in less then 10 minutes, usually allowing time to make general announcements like if they don't start studying soon they are going to fail (since this is almost always true). Then I tell them to put their Scantrons away, take the questions off the screen and begin lecturing. Since it's no use staring at a Scantron without the questions, I have their attention at that point.
I teach a very introductory class, so I'm sure this technique wouldn't work for everyone. In which case, I'd take the last five minutes of class to hand out the quiz and let them go home with it to formulate the complaints.
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« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2009, 12:17:06 PM » |
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I've started having them line up and tell me their last name. This seems to work better: it is quicker and less chaotic.
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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2009, 01:54:13 PM » |
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Do you have an LMS system, like Blackboard or WebCT? You dont' say what class you teach, but I teach Computer classes and all my tests are online. Once the student finishes they see their score.
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