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« Reply #450 on: November 26, 2009, 03:01:00 PM » |
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My own advisee tale: student contacts me to ask essentially "How do I apply to graduate school?" If you can't research that on your own, chances are you won't get in. I so wanted to send that response, but adminicritters won't let me be so honest, so I essentially said, "You need to find out some of this on your own" a lot nicer than that, including a link with info.
Google won't tell hu? There isn't a wiki for that? Look out - this portends a drop in grad school enrollments... This just never gets old [let me google that for you link below] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+do+I+apply+to+graduate+schoolGoogle would be a good start, but hu would have to think a little to decide which link to click. That was too much like work, I guess. BTW, the link I emailed...first hit on Google. |
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« Reply #451 on: November 30, 2009, 12:57:03 PM » |
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My desk just opened a fresh wound on my forehead.
My students just read and discussed a poem dealing with slavery by a contemporary Afro-Cuban woman, in which she presents an abusive and sometimes sexual relationship between a slaveowner and a female slave. The power imbalance is obvious, as it would have to be. Even so, in a reaction paper to the poem, I get this:
"This poem confuses me. I would like to know what the owner was for the author. Was he her husband? Was he only her master? Because if he was only her owner, why did she have sexual relations with him? [...] She really should have told him no, if she didn't love him."
I suspect this student has only a vague idea of what "slavery" is, judging from this.
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« Reply #452 on: November 30, 2009, 01:23:58 PM » |
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I gave my grad students the opportunity to rewrite their reaction papers. A lot of these were once our own undergrads and haven't had that many opportunities to practice writing or literary analysis (depending on who teaches it, the composition course is often a grammar course, with few assignments beyond the sentence level), so I know they need help to achieve to my standards. I just sent this email to a student:
I have commented and uploaded your rewrite for October 27 (week 8). As I opened the next one you sent, I am seeing many of the same problems. These papers seem to be cut and pastes of the originals, including the spelling/ accent errors from the originals. For example, in the one I am looking at now, I have marked a spelling error, an agreement error and a vocabulary error in the first paragraph and all of them are still present in the rewrite.
The one I read thoroughly was literally a cut and paste from the original - instead of summarizing four stories, he summarized only two, but didn't add in any kind of analysis. He didn't even cut the other two stories out of the bibliography.
YOU TURNED IN YOUR WORK ELECTRONICALLY, I HAVE COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL, AS WELL AS MY COMMENTS ON YOUR ORIGINAL!
I don't think I have given any of the rewrites additional credit. I know that all of them have left something mechanical unchanged.
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I like money. I like to buy stuff and experiences with money.
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« Reply #453 on: November 30, 2009, 06:32:57 PM » |
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My desk just opened a fresh wound on my forehead.
My students just read and discussed a poem dealing with slavery by a contemporary Afro-Cuban woman, in which she presents an abusive and sometimes sexual relationship between a slaveowner and a female slave. The power imbalance is obvious, as it would have to be. Even so, in a reaction paper to the poem, I get this:
"This poem confuses me. I would like to know what the owner was for the author. Was he her husband? Was he only her master? Because if he was only her owner, why did she have sexual relations with him? [...] She really should have told him no, if she didn't love him."
I suspect this student has only a vague idea of what "slavery" is, judging from this.
Now accepting applications: The Nancy Reagan School of Discreet and Empowered Slavery, graduates expected 2011. "We teach adoring looks!" |
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« Reply #454 on: November 30, 2009, 06:34:14 PM » |
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I just wanted to thank everyone who participated in this thread. It really proved supportive.
Good luck to everyone for the rest of the semester!
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« Reply #455 on: November 30, 2009, 06:55:36 PM » |
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I just wanted to thank everyone who participated in this thread. It really proved supportive.
Good luck to everyone for the rest of the semester!
You're going to abandon us for the final run :( |
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« Reply #456 on: November 30, 2009, 06:57:26 PM » |
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Yes, don't go! There's more good despair where that came from!
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« Reply #457 on: November 30, 2009, 07:02:21 PM » |
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Today, a student for whom English is clearly not a first language, in a class in which reading comprehension and clear writing are absolutely essential. A "capstone" class for graduating seniors.
Student: "can you explain more clearly what this means?" (The sentence that's confusing him is "what would be a motivation for diversification"? or something like that - the problem words were "motivation" and "diversification")
Me: "What would make a company want to diversify? What would make it make sense for them to do that?"
Student: "more clear, please"
Me: "Well, motivation means the reason why you want to do something"
Student: "OK. Now the other"
And we go on and on .... am I a dictionary? Is it that much of a problem to look up a word you don't know? And HOW DID YOU WIND UP IN MY CAPSTONE CLASS WITHOUT A BASIC GRASP OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE????? And WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU WIND UP WITH A FAILING GRADE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SHOW ME THAT YOU UNDERSTAND A DAMN THING?????
Ow. My head hurts.
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« Reply #458 on: November 30, 2009, 07:17:20 PM » |
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Capstone course for seniors. Big research project, well scaffolded throughout the term. Senioritis-ette does not turn in any of the first few assignments. I write her an email listing the missing materials and offering to help her get back on schedule. She emails back that she's had a lot of anxieties this term and has done all the assignments but just not handed them in. I believe her because the next day she sends me complete and well-done files for all but one of the missing assignments. I give her partial amnesty.
Next assignment after this: missing. I email her that I will now enforce all syllabus policies around lateness. The following assignment comes in on time, though done poorly.
And this past week's assignment, the biggest single chunk of her whole term grade? Nada. If she does everything perfectly from now on, she might squeak out a C-. Otherwise I'm guessing I'll have the pleasure of seeing her next fall, since she won't be graduating.
It's especially sad since she's really bright and a wonderful writer. Oh well.
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To me, forums are more of a relaxing period in which the poster can allow himself or himself to be lost in a sea of wonder.
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« Reply #459 on: December 01, 2009, 03:05:26 PM » |
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Grad level class with some undergrads thrown in. Problem student who I still don't know how he got into this class - it is by instructor permission and I never gave permission.
Students have to see three different productions and writing a response to one - their choice. Responses are due the class after the show closes.
Student "missed" the first show. Claims to have attended the second but failed to turn in his response paper by the deadline. 3rd show is his last chance.
Paper was due - as a hardcopy - in class Thursday prior to Thanksgiving.
Guess who "forgot" to print it? So I let him email it to me - it takes him several hours but hey, I am just going to accept it.
So, I print it up to grade it today. (All the hardcopy papers got priority on the to be graded list)
It is odd, but in his header it says Class XXXX rather then my class, although my name is there.
odder still - it is in a format that is unfamiliar, like there were several questions and he is answering each one.
Wait, there is a rubric on last page and I think, hmm, did slacker boy actually take this to the writing lab? But they didn't fill it out. hmm...
And then I remember, slacker boy is in my best friend's class and she makes them do a response to performances - although what she is looking for and what I am looking for are VERY different things. So I show her the paper and ask - is this what he turned in to you? Why yes it is, and he got an F on it in fact. And he turned it in on Wednesday before the break.
So, he did not do the assignment I gave him. He turned in an assignment from another class, which technically isn't cheating since it is his own work, but it is not the assignment i gave.
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If he tries to claim it was all a mistake and that he didn't mean to turn that in to me I will nail his hide to the wall of Judicial Review as it then becomes an issue more appropriate to be posted on the lying skunk weasel thread.
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That ever I was born to set it right!
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« Reply #460 on: December 01, 2009, 03:38:15 PM » |
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Of course it's cheating. You can't double-dip. It may not be plagiarism per se, but it IS academic dishonesty. And he knew it -- he had your name in there.
Feel free to nail him to the wall.
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Grammar is the chocolate in the buttery croissant of life. -- Yellowtractor
Okay, so that was petty. Today, I feel like embracing pettiness. -- Mended Drum
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« Reply #461 on: December 01, 2009, 03:55:22 PM » |
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Yep. The fact that he took time to type your name in place of the other prof's tells me he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
Put him in the grinder.
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« Reply #462 on: December 01, 2009, 04:08:14 PM » |
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Crush his lying, scummy, weaselly butt. And enjoy every minute of it. (This is the same kid who's been bugging you all semester, right?)
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« Reply #463 on: December 01, 2009, 05:34:00 PM » |
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Of course it's cheating. You can't double-dip. It may not be plagiarism per se, but it IS academic dishonesty. And he knew it -- he had your name in there.
Feel free to nail him to the wall.
It was actually covered in the honor code at a couple of universities I have taught at. Here at Innocent Until Admits Otherwise University, I doubt I would stand a chance. |
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I like money. I like to buy stuff and experiences with money.
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« Reply #464 on: December 01, 2009, 05:46:13 PM » |
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Of course it's cheating. You can't double-dip. It may not be plagiarism per se, but it IS academic dishonesty. And he knew it -- he had your name in there.
Feel free to nail him to the wall.
It was actually covered in the honor code at a couple of universities I have taught at. Here at Innocent Until Admits Otherwise University, I doubt I would stand a chance. I believe Innocent Until Admits Otherwise University is a branch of the Knows They're Lying But Makes It Hard To Catch Them University? |
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