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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2009, 03:12:56 PM » |
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The "I" is for intersex.
I agree about the ridiculousness of the long list of letters and I don't understand why the labeling exercise is so important. And at the universities I've taught at, it's the students (the younguns) who keep adding the letters. (Honestly, I had a real issue with the addition of "questioning".) I've noticed a lot of universities are calling their LGBT-whatever centers "Stonewall Centers," which, as a historian, I think is cool.
As for queer, I understand and use it to mean, as LarryC put it, not purely heterosexual. It's an umbrella that can encompass the purely homosexual, bisexuals, polyamorous/not hetero-monogamist. I'm going to start a movement for "Q&A". Really confuse everyone...
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2009, 03:22:30 PM » |
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I don't understand why 'gay' can't simply be redefined in a way that is inclusive. Queer seems too charged to be realistic. Some of this alphabet soup nonsense comes from the very tired internal political wrangling withing the LBTQABCDEFGHIJK community.
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 03:26:09 PM » |
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Oh, I like "queer." Is it really still perceived as "highly charged" in some places?
(I can hardly believe I'm asking this, actually. When I first arrived in Midwestern TTville, the students were still calling themselves "homosexuals.")
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 03:30:08 PM » |
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I don't hear adults in the world at large using the term queer.
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 09:00:50 PM » |
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If you add too many letters, it will no longer fit on a t-shirt |
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2009, 01:30:47 AM » |
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I don't understand why 'gay' can't simply be redefined in a way that is inclusive. Queer seems too charged to be realistic. Some of this alphabet soup nonsense comes from the very tired internal political wrangling withing the LBTQABCDEFGHIJK community.
I started to respond to this, then noticed who it was from. The usual argument I hear is that gay is for homosexual males. Some countries have renamed their gay pride parades "Diversity celebrations." Obviously, that does not work quite as well for us in the US, since this is the term we use to refer to all differences. I do like the A. It lets us know if the particular group in question is going to be welcoming to allies. Some aren't. |
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2009, 01:42:07 AM » |
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No reason to exclude A. You can never have enough A.
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I just hate it that I constantly have to like everyone and everything. -- moonstone
O, what a hateful feminist concoction!
Jews, communists, "lesbians", feminists and marihuana addicts --Pyshnov
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2009, 12:00:45 PM » |
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I was having a discussion about this the other day. Under service I list that I was the LGBT officer for an organization (like graduate student senate or student activities...) I just use the acronym because I figure everyone knows what it stands for... and to write it all out is really lengthy.
Slightly off-topic, but important for your application: Is the experience relevant for the job? For example, I did not list most of my student activities on my CV, unless they were relevant to the position. |
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2009, 01:01:29 PM » |
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Where I'm at, the full (new) abbreviation is "LGBTIQQA". The I for intersex, Q for queer, Q for questioning, and A for allies. I'm going to push that we start calling it "everyone but homophobes." Easier that way.
Clearly, it should be LGBTIQQEA. The E is for enemies. Because you are supposed to keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Thank you -- I'll be here all week! Try the veal! (Oops -- just opened another can of worms.) |
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2009, 01:50:16 PM » |
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I was told recently that it's LGBTTIQQ2S now; the two Ts are for transsexual and transgendered, the I for intersex, and the 2S for two-spirited. Where I'm at, the full (new) abbreviation is "LGBTIQQA". The I for intersex, Q for queer, Q for questioning, and A for allies. I'm going to push that we start calling it "everyone but homophobes." Easier that way.
Clearly, it should be LGBTIQQEA. The E is for enemies. Because you are supposed to keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Thank you -- I'll be here all week! Try the veal! (Oops -- just opened another can of worms.) EBH (Everyone But Homophobes, or maybe just Haters?) is a pretty appealing alternative at this point. |
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2009, 01:58:17 PM » |
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Why is this thread taking so long to become a trainwreck? C'mon people, more acrimony! Why can't you all start taking some of this personally? Get on it, or we're going to have to move this thread out of the Diversity Forum for excessive civility. We have standards to maintain, after all.
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2009, 04:01:32 PM » |
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I was told recently that it's LGBTTIQQ2S now; the two Ts are for transsexual and transgendered, the I for intersex, and the 2S for two-spirited. Where I'm at, the full (new) abbreviation is "LGBTIQQA". The I for intersex, Q for queer, Q for questioning, and A for allies. I'm going to push that we start calling it "everyone but homophobes." Easier that way.
Clearly, it should be LGBTIQQEA. The E is for enemies. Because you are supposed to keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Thank you -- I'll be here all week! Try the veal! (Oops -- just opened another can of worms.) EBH (Everyone But Homophobes, or maybe just Haters?) is a pretty appealing alternative at this point. I really like "Everybody But Haters." Very of the moment. But don't get me started on "two spirited." Or, Tuxedo Cat, I could get started on "two spirited" and if there's a two-spirited identified individual on here, we could have a forum cage-match, just to uphold the spirit of the Diversity board. ;D |
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2009, 06:27:32 PM » |
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Peace is nice.
Rainbow sounds good.
Fighting about love makes me sad.
I've also had mixed experiences trying to be an ally, but mostly it's been good.
If you've found a satisfying situation with someone you care about, you're both lucky and I hope it lasts forever.
Pax in terra.
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2009, 06:50:46 AM » |
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Well, I'm sure I taking this too seriously, but I object to the terms "homophobe" and "hater."
"Homophobe": One doesn't have to be afraid of LGBT etc. people, in order to disagree with their lifestyle choices.
"Hater": Disagreement does not equal hate.
The words "homophobe" and "hater" highten the division, because they make assumptions people on the other side do not necessarily hold.
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2009, 06:58:08 AM » |
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Well, I'm sure I taking this too seriously, but I object to the terms "homophobe" and "hater."
"Homophobe": One doesn't have to be afraid of LGBT etc. people, in order to disagree with their lifestyle choices.
"Hater": Disagreement does not equal hate.
The words "homophobe" and "hater" highten the division, because they make assumptions people on the other side do not necessarily hold.
Well, (I think) we were all sort of joking because/about how the names of LGBT orgs on campuses have gotten a bit long and ridiculous. But even if you define "homophobe" as "someone who disagrees with LGBT lifestyle choices*", they're not the kind of people you'd want in an LGBT group. In fact, I'd take (and when I was faculty advisor of an LGBT group, I took) a strong stand and say that anyone who disagrees with "the gay lifestyle" is not welcome to attend meetings, which often function as a vital support network for young gay people who have just come out and are trying to navigate an often hostile world. So, I stand by my "EBH" comment in practice and in theory, even though I would not permit my students to name their group such. *I'm SO not touching the "gay is a lifestyle choice" comment. Although that might satisfy the requirement that the Diversity Forum is home to the trainwreckiest of train wreck threads. |
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