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daisyaday
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« on: August 26, 2009, 01:30:56 PM »

I'm thinking about trying this to support my weight loss efforts. I have an appointment next week to talk with my internest about all of my weight loss options, but was wondering about others' experience with these two therapies for any kind of behavior modification.

Thanks much!
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 01:52:55 PM »

I tried hypnosis.  I think it didn't in my case because the therapist didn't really put me under (so maybe the post-hypnotic suggestion is not strong); I only had 2 sessions (all the therapist says anyone needs; I don't think it's true); and I have to listen to a tape as I fall asleep every night (not so conducive to married life).

I'm willing to try it again with a therapist who has a different approach.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 02:03:17 PM »

I'm thinking about trying this to support my weight loss efforts. I have an appointment next week to talk with my internest about all of my weight loss options, but was wondering about others' experience with these two therapies for any kind of behavior modification.

Thanks much!
Daisy

Do you already have a psychotherapist, and is that person a certified hypnotherapist? (You definitely want someone certified.)

I have a therapist who is a certified hypnotherapist, and we tried it once for an issue of mine. It wasn't really successful, BUT I was uncomfortable and I'm sure I got in the way. I am an energy psychology fan, so it's not that I fundamentally don't believe in the concept, but it didn't seem to be the right modality for me. I didn't take to it intuitively, whereas other energy psychology things we have done have been very helpful.

I have heard good reports of success with hypnotherapy and weight loss (and hypnotherapy and quitting smoking), but don't know anyone besides me who's even tried it.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 03:09:29 PM »

I used a hypnosis course for my last childbirth, I know that's not exactly what you're looking for. I did have to listen to a tape every night but only did it once a week. And I didn't actually listen to it during labor, though I was supposed to. Despite that I had an amazing, "natural" childbirth that was 100% different from my first birth, and I do wonder if it was so much better because of the hypnosis work I'd done.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009, 03:54:31 PM »

Thanks for your thoughts. No, I don't have a therapist. I have never been in therapy or tried any kind of alternative medicine. Several years ago I lost 50 pounds and have kept 40 of it off. I need to lose about 70 more to be at the high end of my healthy weight range, but I just cannot seem to stay motivated this time. I have tried the method that worked for me the first time (WeightWatchers) and I have tried using a personal coach. I just can't seem to stay focused and motivated. I really don't want to go the route of any kind of weight loss surgery, but I do want this weight off.

Any other thoughts are welcome.

Thank you again,
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2009, 03:55:59 PM »

CBT and hypnotherapy are worlds apart. If you're interested in evidence-based treatment, you should go with CBT.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2009, 04:01:49 PM »

That is interesting. I have been reading (in medical journals) that they work well in combination. I will, of course, look more into both and talk with my doctor next week. I'm still open to more thoughts on either one or any other options, though.

Daisy

Edit to add: I think I need to read more about CBT. I really don't know anything about it. Thanks again.
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2009, 04:09:02 PM »

I just did some quick, short reading on CBT and it sounds a lot like positive self talk. I have a bias against what I perceive as touchy, feely self-help methods. They seem corny to me. I don't mean to offend anyone who uses them. This is just my negative bias. I think I would have to work really hard to be open-minded about CBT if I did try it.

Just thinking out loud here.

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2009, 04:09:13 PM »

CBT and hypnotherapy are worlds apart. If you're interested in evidence-based treatment, you should go with CBT.

Worlds apart? Apparently, not quite so far as that...

Handbook of Cognitive Hypnotherapy for Depression: An Evidence-Based Approach

OP isn't asking about depression, but this is just the first example that came to mind of an "evidence-based" approach. There do exist cognitive-behavioral hypnotherapists. A quick Google shows that it seems to be more commonly accepted in the UK than in the US.

Depending on where you look, you can find studies that say both hypnotherapy and CBT are or are not effective. In the meanwhile, both could possibly help you, and neither (provided that you go with someone who is properly licensed and certified in both areas) is likely to hurt you.

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2009, 04:10:33 PM »

Thank you, VP. I will do more research (I work in a library, so I have access to a lot of good resources).

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009, 04:33:14 PM »

I just did some quick, short reading on CBT and it sounds a lot like positive self talk. I have a bias against what I perceive as touchy, feely self-help methods. They seem corny to me.

It's not so much "positive self-talk" as challenging patterns of thinking to see if they are really true or if they are distortions, and for the analytical and rational among us it is often a successful form of therapy, precisely because it relies on cognitive evaluation of data and conducting behavioral self-experiments to challenge previously drawn conclusions.

E.g., if I went into a therapy session and I was upset because I felt that people didn't like me and I was lonely, my conversation with my therapist might go something like this:

Me: I'm lonely. I don't have any friends. I don't know what's wrong with me.
Therapist: How do you know there's something wrong with you?
Me: Well, there must be, because no one likes me.
T: How do you know that no one likes you?
Me: Well, I just don't feel like anyone does.
T: Really? Anyone? In the whole world?
Me: Well, I guess not "anyone" -- I guess I'm saying that people at work don't like me.
T: How do you know that? Is that absolutely true?
Me: Well, I just feel it. I feel like they don't like me.
T: But do you know it for sure? Have they said, "Vox, I really don't like you"?
Me: No.
T: Have they tripped you in the hallways or put a flaming bag of dog poop in front of your office door?
Me: No.
T: So there's no real evidence that they don't like you. There's your feeling that they don't like you, but feelings aren't evidence.
Me: (dubiously) Okay...
T: So it's at least possible that they might like you, and that your assessment of the situation, based on your emotional reasoning, might be wrong.
Me: Okay...
T: So what kind of experiment do you think we could do to find out? What evidence would convince you that they do or do not like you?


etc. I won't go on because it will last for 50 minutes and then I'll have to send you a bill. ;)

At various points in this conversation, there might have been side conversations to point out what kinds of distorted thinking I was using (emotional reasoning, personalization, overgeneralization, catastrophizing, etc. -- we could spend a whole session unpacking and challenging the first three or four sentences alone). We would come up with various kinds of thought/behavioral experiments -- for example, if I say that I'm afraid to make social overtures to my colleagues at work because I'm convinced they don't like me and they'll reject my social overtures and then laugh at me behind my back, my therapist might set me the experiment of asking three colleagues to have lunch or coffee and seeing what happens. Even one acceptance disproves my theory, which is based on my emotions and assumptions. And even if no one accepts my lunch invitation, it is highly unlikely that they would actually laugh at me behind my back about it, so even if I get no acceptances, the theory is still disproved.

CBT works by making us become aware of, evaluate, and challenge the filters by which we interpret the things that we experience.

There are some of us for whom CBT is not the most effective approach to therapy, though -- everyone is different.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 04:41:58 PM »

This is very helpful, VP. Thank you for taking the time to type it all out.

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 04:47:56 PM »

CBT and hypnotherapy are worlds apart. If you're interested in evidence-based treatment, you should go with CBT.

Worlds apart? Apparently, not quite so far as that...

Handbook of Cognitive Hypnotherapy for Depression: An Evidence-Based Approach

Interesting. There's a lot of mix-n'-matching going on in psychology. I suppose I shouldn't have been so declarative.

I think that CBT is most effective at providing concrete strategies for changing destructive behaviors. I certainly agree that it doesn't work for everyone -- just that there's a decent body of evidence to show that it can be effective.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 08:22:33 AM »

Hypnotherapy is what people seek out when they really don't want to lose weight but want to convince themselves that they are serious. CBT requires people to make positive and conscious efforts to change behaviors. It works if you really want to lose weight, but won't be successful if you are looking for an easy way out.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 06:03:41 PM »

I'm not convinced anything really works for long-term weight loss. But hypnosis is good for labor pain.
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