ragingsquirrel
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« on: August 02, 2009, 09:30:14 AM » |
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A 2009 graduate in NY is suing her alma mater because she does not yet have a job, and wants her $70,000 tuition back: http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022009/news/regionalnews/sheep_kinned_182607.htm. While her institution describes itself as a "national leader in providing a focused, career-oriented, quality education", I remain amazed that someone thinks degree= job. If so, I know LOTS of people who are due their tuition back. The chumps thought they were paying for an EDUCATION! |
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2009, 10:08:59 AM » |
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My first thoughts on reading the thread title, and the first few sentence of the article, was that this case is sure to be tossed out (I hope it will be tossed out!). Has anyone noticed there's a recession, and noone can find a job, etc...
However, at the very end of the article it says "The college's Office of Career Advancement advertises lifetime free service for graduates, and boasts on the school's Web site: 'We have many resources available for students at any stage of their college career, and even after graduation.' " I wonder exactly what the College advertises and promises to its students, and if a judge will find merit in this case. I certainly hope it will be tossed out, but you just never know.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2009, 10:13:05 AM » |
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Ha! The snowflakes are graduating and hitting the workforce!
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2009, 10:21:46 AM » |
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"They have not tried hard enough to help me," the frustrated Bronx resident wrote about the school in her lawsuit.
"She's angry," said Thompson's mother, Carol. "She's very angry at her situation. She put all her faith in them, and so did I. They're not making an effort.
Hmmm perhaps they could offer her a job somewhere like the copy centre (no idea why I picked that). |
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2009, 10:53:05 AM » |
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On the bright side, maybe this means colleges will become more cautious about advertising themselves as job training? One can hope, anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2009, 12:23:27 PM » |
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The judge should initially rule in her favor. And then the judge should declare that since the student was intelligent enough to file and then win her suit, that she was well educated. Then the judge should retroactively dismiss the claim.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2009, 12:59:28 PM » |
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A 2009 grad? So she's been out of school for all of 2 1/2 months. What about all the 2008 and even 2007 grads who haven't found work? Not only that, but given the nature of the economy and the fact that many, many better-qualified, more experienced folks are taking far longer than that and/or who've sucked it up and taken jobs/salaries that are considerably below their ideal, it's hard to feel sorry for her. There's also the question of exactly how hard did snowflake try to find a job and was her job search hampered by entitlement toward jobs that more senior people aren't getting?
Not only that, but only a moron thinks that a degree is a job guarantee these days.
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larryc
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2009, 01:11:37 PM » |
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On the bright side, maybe this means colleges will become more cautious about advertising themselves as job training? Right. I tell my students that the real goal of college is not to train you for a job, if that is what you desire drop out right now and go down the street to the school of cosmetology. The goal of a college educations is making sure that you don't go through life as a dumbass. Hmmmm...maybe she still has a case... |
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2009, 01:26:35 PM » |
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Hmmm. Guess the Advancement and Donor Prospect folks won't be giving her a call any time soon.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2009, 01:32:08 PM » |
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Hmmm....a major in dumbass studies. Think it'd catch on?
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2009, 01:35:37 PM » |
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I bet employers are now clamoring to hire this princess.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2009, 03:30:52 PM » |
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In her teeny, tiny defense, it is a jobs-oriented school, not liberal arts. And with high school advisors, parents, the media, etc. telling you to go to school to get a better job, however we might question the premise, I can't blame her for believing it. And Monroe does make their career services support a selling point.
But the lawsuit's still bogus. Frankly, I figure if she's stupid enough to go to Monroe, she deserves it. It's one of those job training-oriented private schools -- it may well be a fine school for what it does, but she could have gotten an equivalent education for pennies on the dollar at Bronx CC, or one of the many other cheap, accessible CUNYs. Maybe that wasn't exactly what she wanted, but it's not like there was nothing else nearby. She chose to spend the money, and that's always a risk. $70,000 and now she's whining because she can't get a job right away in the worst economy ever? And what were her grades? How hard did she look? Did she do internships or other work that would have made her attractive to an applicant? Did she actually follow the advice of the career services office? Why do I doubt that?
The thing is, as quoted in the article, they really don't promise anything that most other schools don't. I believe I can access the career services center at my alma mater whenever after graduation. Even non-alumni who live in town have limited access -- it's what career services is there for. Monroe makes a big deal of supporting their student career-wise, but it's really no different from what most other schools do (I hope, at least. In my experience. Maybe smaller, poorer schools can't afford to.)
If after a year she can't find a job, and in that time she tried desperately to get in touch with their career center and they blew her off, lost her file, didn't tell her about jobs, and in general it was terribly run and didn't help anyone, then she might have a case. But I don't see anywhere that they guarantee you a job -- just that they'll help you find one. If the help was provided, she has no case.
I'm sad a lawyer took this case. But not terribly surprised.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2009, 03:38:10 PM » |
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I'll bet it is a top grad of one of our law schools. Missed the social responsibility class, though. Oh, I'm sorry, it wasn't offered?
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ragingsquirrel
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2009, 06:15:26 PM » |
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Then there's the infomercial I've seen several times recently: "It's good to know that after I complete this six-week class in home staging to the best of my abilities, I will have the opportunity to apply for jobs or further training!"
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2009, 06:28:03 PM » |
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Hmmm....a major in dumbass studies. Think it'd catch on?
It already has they just call it different things. |
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