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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2009, 03:36:28 AM » |
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I've seen many a superstar politician and his/her ilk founder as a classroom/seminar teacher, because they don't know how to organize, can't deal with paperwork at all, and resent young people.
Hey! I'm a superstar politician!Since when? Does that mean you hike the Appalachian Trail? The Fiona "Last Tango in Lubbock"? It, um, lacks some euphony. The Fiona I was thinking about Buenos Aires. Be still, my heart. The Fiona |
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The Fiona or perhaps La Fiona
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The Right Reverend Fiona, PhD, Bishop of the Fora
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2009, 04:04:03 AM » |
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While I think $100K is entirely too much for such a position (especially if it was influenced by political connections), Gonzales has to make a living somehow.
I do not mind this. College campuses should be places where a wide array of ideas can be aired and debated. Gonzales doesn't really represent alternate political ideas; civil liberties, limits to executive power, hatred of torture, and so on are not partisan, they're American (and arguably core to any humanitarian democracy). Plus, after the Youth Commission scandal, he shouldn't have any power over young people. I think 100% of faculty and students voted for Obama. Though possibly not in Lubbock. - DvF |
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2009, 07:34:26 AM » |
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...civil liberties, limits to executive power, hatred of torture, and so on are not partisan, they're American (and arguably core to any humanitarian democracy). Zizek would argue that torture happened in Iraq precisely because it is part of American culture. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2009, 02:02:41 PM » |
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Zizek would argue that torture happened in Iraq precisely because it is part of American culture. That's because everything he knows about the US comes from watching American TV shows. - DvF |
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2009, 02:05:02 PM » |
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Isn't that why Texas exists? As a place to put people like that.
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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2009, 02:31:03 PM » |
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Isn't that why Texas exists? As a place to put people like that.
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2009, 06:13:32 PM » |
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I've seen many a superstar politician and his/her ilk founder as a classroom/seminar teacher, because they don't know how to organize, can't deal with paperwork at all, and resent young people.
Hey! I'm a superstar politician!Since when? Does that mean you hike the Appalachian Trail? The Fiona "Last Tango in Lubbock"? It, um, lacks some euphony. The Fiona I was thinking about Buenos Aires. Be still, my heart. The Fiona |
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2009, 12:05:25 AM » |
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Gonzales doesn't really represent alternate political ideas; civil liberties, limits to executive power, hatred of torture, and so on are not partisan, they're American (and arguably core to any humanitarian democracy).
Over the next few years, America will debate the constitutional limits of executive power, what exactly constitutes torture and what is the correct way to fight the battles that we face. These are tough questions that deserve real debate. I think it is very important to hear from those who made these decisions so we can avoid these mistakes in the future. It is too easy, and too simplistic, to paint those who disagree with you as evil or stupid. I honestly believe that both the political right and the political left are filled with people that are trying to do what they feel is in the best interest of the country. Neither side has a monopoly on angels/demons or good/bad ideas. I think 100% of faculty and students voted for Obama. [quoteThough possibly not in Lubbock. - DvF [/quote] I was talking about my school... |
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2009, 12:51:18 AM » |
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Gonzales doesn't really represent alternate political ideas; civil liberties, limits to executive power, hatred of torture, and so on are not partisan, they're American (and arguably core to any humanitarian democracy).
Over the next few years, America will debate the constitutional limits of executive power, what exactly constitutes torture and what is the correct way to fight the battles that we face. These are tough questions that deserve real debate. I think it is very important to hear from those who made these decisions so we can avoid these mistakes in the future. Maybe offer him the Mengele Chair in Human Rights? It is too easy, and too simplistic, to paint those who disagree with you as evil or stupid. It is too easy and too simplistic to assume that my reaction is based on the fact that Gonzalez was part of the Bush administration. In fact, Bush himself, and any number of conservative members of his administration, would be perfectly reasonable people to bring on campus to teach public policy. My reaction is specifically against the despicable Gonzalez, whom I merely dislike because I disagree with hikm, but loathe because he hates America. - DvF |
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These are tough questions that deserve real debate. I think it is very important to hear from those who made these decisions so we can avoid these mistakes in the future.
I would agree with this one. I would love the opportunity to sit in a class with him and discuss the policies and procedures of the AG as he saw them. Not that I agree (or not), but I think of the academy as a place for such discussions. |
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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2009, 04:30:06 PM » |
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My reaction is specifically against the despicable Gonzalez, whom I merely dislike because I disagree with hikm, but loathe because he hates America. - DvF
I seriously doubt that Gonzalez actually "hates America." I have the feeling that is was a guy that was simply in way over his head. But, even if you loathe him, wouldn't you like to be able ask him, "What the hell were you thinking?" |
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2009, 04:52:53 PM » |
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But, even if you loathe him, wouldn't you like to be able ask him, "What the hell were you thinking?" The time to do that is when he takes the stand at his trial. Whatever a person's political leanings, if they take office and then deeply subvert it the way Gonzales did at DoJ, that to me says they have no respect for American ideals. Gonzales is a very smart guy, and knew full well what damage he was doing. I'd rather party with Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin than sit in the same room as this guy. - DvF |
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The time to do that is when he takes the stand at his trial.
Whatever a person's political leanings, if they take office and then deeply subvert it the way Gonzales did at DoJ, that to me says they have no respect for American ideals. Gonzales is a very smart guy, and knew full well what damage he was doing. I'd rather party with Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin than sit in the same room as this guy. - DvF
I doubt there will be any trail, but we should get congressional hearings. BTW, I don't think Rush would be much fun at a party, but I must confess to a bit of a crush on Michelle Malkin. |
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2009, 03:00:37 PM » |
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Isn't that why Texas exists? As a place to put people like that.
Yes, but we need to find a way to keep them from leaving once they're there. First let's load Texas up with everything we want to be rid of--smokers, SUVs, people that throw beer cans on the road, lockerroom humorists, braggarts, gun nuts, sadists, etc.--and then provoke Texas into a declaration of independence. When they challenge the integrity of the United States of America, we say, "OK, we give in. You can secede." |
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2009, 03:23:42 PM » |
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The time to do that is when he takes the stand at his trial.
Whatever a person's political leanings, if they take office and then deeply subvert it the way Gonzales did at DoJ, that to me says they have no respect for American ideals. Gonzales is a very smart guy, and knew full well what damage he was doing. I'd rather party with Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Malkin than sit in the same room as this guy. - DvF
I doubt there will be any trail, but we should get congressional hearings. BTW, I don't think Rush would be much fun at a party, but I must confess to a bit of a crush on Michelle Malkin. "The 15 Hottest Conservative Women": http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/06/the_15_hottest_conservative_wo.phpMichelle makes the list. No Rush. |
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