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« on: July 06, 2009, 11:35:17 AM » |
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Would love to see some online colleges added to this survey in the future.
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georgiaprof
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 11:59:52 AM » |
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daurousseau
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 12:04:27 PM » |
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Chronicle of Higher Education, today. |
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tinyzombie
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 01:35:22 PM » |
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*waving tiny zombie flags* Correct, as usual, TZ. That's because you are not Dude. TZ, however, is Dude. TZ is my favorite. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 02:45:23 PM » |
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Would love to see some online colleges added to this survey in the future.
Quick, let's start a pool on how long it'll take before another 'bot posts a list of the Best Online Colleges to Work For! BTW, isn't working for an online school really working from home? Does that actually count? |
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Jonesey, I know you're a being of sensitivity and refinement. |
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tinyzombie
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 02:46:22 PM » |
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BTW, isn't working for an online school really working from home? Does that actually count?
My thoughts exactly. |
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*waving tiny zombie flags* Correct, as usual, TZ. That's because you are not Dude. TZ, however, is Dude. TZ is my favorite. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 08:20:38 AM » |
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The Electoral College isn't bad, either. Good money for little work.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 10:10:11 PM » |
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It makes me angry that this particular rating system doesn't look at ANYTHING having to do with adjunct workers. I'm afraid that when I received the e-mail a few years ago letting me know that the college where I was adjuncting had made the list, I mostly laughed bitterly. Yes, it had great benefits and perks and support for FULL TIME faculty, but over half of those teaching at that particular university were adjuncts who got, well, let's just say "considerably less." At least they didn't charge the adjuncts for PARKING, like some other universities do . .
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jonesey
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 10:25:26 AM » |
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It makes me angry that this particular rating system doesn't look at ANYTHING having to do with adjunct workers. I'm afraid that when I received the e-mail a few years ago letting me know that the college where I was adjuncting had made the list, I mostly laughed bitterly. Yes, it had great benefits and perks and support for FULL TIME faculty, but over half of those teaching at that particular university were adjuncts who got, well, let's just say "considerably less." At least they didn't charge the adjuncts for PARKING, like some other universities do . .
Adjuncts are temps. When Fortune does a poll of the best companies to work for, they don't ask anyone from AppleOne what they think of IBM, so why would they ask adjuncts what they think about a particular university. The sooner people realize that adjuncts are the higher ed equivalent of an office temp, the better off everyone will be (including the adjuncts). |
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Jonesey, I know you're a being of sensitivity and refinement. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 01:48:36 PM » |
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Jonesey got it right. Universities exploit adjuncts, but no anger on the part of part-timers will change that. Adjuncts are better off going into a different line of work than dreaming of a day when academia will find a pot of gold and hire them all full-time and tenure-track.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2009, 06:20:31 PM » |
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It makes me angry that this particular rating system doesn't look at ANYTHING having to do with adjunct workers. I'm afraid that when I received the e-mail a few years ago letting me know that the college where I was adjuncting had made the list, I mostly laughed bitterly. Yes, it had great benefits and perks and support for FULL TIME faculty, but over half of those teaching at that particular university were adjuncts who got, well, let's just say "considerably less." At least they didn't charge the adjuncts for PARKING, like some other universities do.
I can't get into the "how the survey was conducted" area, but if that is true, then you are right--it is a serious empirical flaw with the survey. Similar surveys of the profit world, for example Fortune's Top 100 Employers, include part-timers. My sister-in-law makes $80K as the manager of the grocery half of a Walmart, but most Walmart workers probably have a less positive attitude about the company than she does. |
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dld310
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2009, 09:48:37 PM » |
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Faculty at on-line colleges are treated much like adjuncts - and often worse. I think we would see a connection if we looked. It's not all about "working from home". Most on-line faculty are evaluated very differently from their more traditional counterparts and "shared governance" is pretty much unheard of. A list of "best on-line colleges to work for" would be useless. Include the on-line schools in current studies and you'll soon see "working from home" isn't all it's cracked up to be - and often not worth the price you pay.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 04:10:19 PM » |
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I don't think you can get an accurate picture of whether a college is a great place to work without looking at how adjuncts are treated. A decent employer is a decent employer, period.
Adjuncts are not really temps. A temp works for an agency. They are not employed by the institution at all. Whereas for better or worse, adjuncts are employed by the institution; therefore their treatment is relevant.
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daurousseau
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2009, 02:21:14 PM » |
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There's something to be said for online teaching. I met a guy named Bill who lives on the northernmost point of the California Coastal Highway, a few yards from the ocean, in a beautiful setting with other arty types. He teaches Psych 101 at Pitt. From a rambling country kitchen.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2009, 01:09:57 PM » |
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I also think that you can rate universities based on how they treat their online faculty. I teach as an online adjunct for two universities, both of which have brick-and-mortar campuses. The private uni pays well, but makes it very difficult for online faculty to: keep up with departmental news; request or reserve library materials; access software through university computing resources; etc. The public uni offers: online interactive "classrooms" for departmental news and announcements; the option to attend online or campus teaching workshops; faculty ID cards to make it easy to use library and computing services; the ability to apply for adjunct grants; and so on. These are things which can vastly affect how you feel about an online teaching gig.
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