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infopri
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2009, 11:34:49 AM »

I tried testing the search engine (which, so far, seems unchanged, unfortunately) and came across another weird glitch in the new design:  In the bar above each retrieved message (in the search parameters, I checked "show results as messages"), if the ID information (the forum and thread name, along with the post date and time) runs more than one line, the space available for this info does not expand--which means the second line runs across a color border (where the gradient blue turns white and then becomes gray), making the info hard to read.  The same occurs on any given thread that has a posted message with a two-line ID header.  And, of course, more headers now run into two lines because of the narrower column format.

(Similarly, the "Hello infopri" line, which includes the current day and time--except that the clock now seems to be on Central time--is half on the gradient blue, half on the white below it the blue.) 

Again, bad, bad, bad.  This is a new and unnecessary problem introduced by the new design, and, in this day and age, gives the site an amateurish appearance.

I also notice that the fora home page is no longer a link in the navigational pathname (e.g., "Chronicle Forums > Cafe > Meet and Greet > Give Us a Hand") that appears near the top of any fora page.  (The "Chronicle Forums" link isn't there, so the first link in the pathname is "Cafe.")  Therefore, you must click the "Forum Home" button, further up on the page.  This button (labeled simply "Home") appears in the old design, too, but you have a choice of using that button or the link in the navigational pathname.  Why does the redesign reduce convenience?

In the Jobs area, the categorization of disciplines/fields is bizarre.  I can't even find my own field, but in looking for it I found psychology jobs mixed in with literacy jobs mixed in with public health jobs mixed in with business studies and management jobs, all under the "Other social science" category (and why is "other" second in the list of social-science fields, instead of last?).  This is an improvement??  Why must we wade through pages and pages of irrelevent results?  And, since psychology has its own category, why are psychology jobs showing up in this other catch-all category?  And business/management is its own supercategory (equivalent to "social sciences"), so again why are these jobs showing up under social science?  (By the way, in the navigation boxes on the left on the Job Search results page, the link for "Science/technology/mathematics" exceeds its box and runs under the next column, so that only part of the link is visible.  Ugly and unnecessary, especially in 2009.)

Ah, okay, finally found my field.  Turns out, the new design lists only some of the categories when you click on the "faculty and research" link in the Job Center box in the right-hand column of the fora pages.  Then you have to click on "View All."  Since the "all" list shows five categories and you have only 10 in total, why not just show them all to start with??  It's not like you don't have the space.  If you click on the black "Jobs" menu button at the top of the page, you get an even longer list, apparently because it's not divided between faculty, administrative, etc.  The whole area is very confusing and unfriendly.

On the other hand, I'm happy to see the ability to narrow search results first by region and then by state.  But have we lost the ability to search by radius after choosing a field?  (I see that I can enter a keyword and then use a radius feature, but then I've lost the advantage of CHE's categorization of relevant jobs that may not contain the keyword.)  This was a handy feature of the old design that I use heavily, and I imagine others do, too.  Why is it (apparently) gone?

On the positive side, I do like the banner of black menu buttons across the top of the page (Home, New, Opinion & Ideas, etc.)  I'm trying really, really hard, but I'm not seeing much else (yet) to like.  I'm sorry--but not nearly as sorry as I'll be if you actually go with this new design.
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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2009, 11:48:09 AM »

A couple more features I would like to see:

Automatically archive inactive, old threads so they can not be updated (zombie threads!). Maybe after 30 or 60 days of inactivity.

Allow users to ignore certain threads so they do not appear when you click "Show unread posts since last visit."

Improved HTML functionality, such as buttons for inserting links.
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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2009, 11:57:18 AM »

I don't agree about not allowing updates to old threads. Yes, sometimes it's annoying when newbies bring up things that died long ago but there's also a sense of continuity - for example, Kissyface college gets revived every few months or so. As does the "pit of doom" or whatever it's called.
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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2009, 12:16:39 PM »

hmmmm...

http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-07-01/
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2009, 01:40:33 PM »

I don't agree about not allowing updates to old threads. Yes, sometimes it's annoying when newbies bring up things that died long ago but there's also a sense of continuity - for example, Kissyface college gets revived every few months or so. As does the "pit of doom" or whatever it's called.

There is information in the old threads "Should I staple or paper clip"
"Tell me about College X in Village Y"
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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2009, 05:05:45 PM »

I don't agree about not allowing updates to old threads. Yes, sometimes it's annoying when newbies bring up things that died long ago but there's also a sense of continuity - for example, Kissyface college gets revived every few months or so. As does the "pit of doom" or whatever it's called.

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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2009, 09:18:51 PM »

Hmmm...  On my computer, using IE, I'm seeing absolutely no difference in the fora.  It's in the same colours, the same font, the same size, layout, justification...  It's so much the same that I keep having to look at the subject title to ensure I'm actually in the Beta and not here.  Wonder why we all seem to be seeing different things?

(I dup posted this on the "Whoa!" thread)
 
 
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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2009, 10:56:24 PM »

Hmmm...  On my computer, using IE, I'm seeing absolutely no difference in the fora.  It's in the same colours, the same font, the same size, layout, justification...  It's so much the same that I keep having to look at the subject title to ensure I'm actually in the Beta and not here.  Wonder why we all seem to be seeing different things?

(I dup posted this on the "Whoa!" thread)

I just tried it in IE, and it looks exactly the same as it does in Firefox.
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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2009, 10:58:07 PM »

The new site's home page and other pages look sharp, crisp, clean, modern, and much more similar to other online news sources than previously.  It is something of a blend of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal sites with the column setup of the latter but the lightness of the former. The rotating images on the home page are eye-catching.

It's only the forum design in which there are things I don't like.  And I think if there is going to be a change, why not improve or add some features?
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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2009, 12:56:57 AM »

I'd like to see buttons for larger or smaller font, which I have seen mentioned on the SMF pages as options.  On that subject, I observe that it is possible to install seamlessly the mods or "hacks" to allow more precise searching!  Check out this link, last item under "general," and see if that doesn't sound like an improvement.

Some of these codes don't work, and would be fun.  At least for me.

Let me try this one:

Ten point font size and Twelve point font size and Fourteen point font size.

I can understand not wanting us to post images in our posts; the size of the individual posts would become ridiculous. 

I wouldn't mind superscript and subscript text, though the uses would be limited.

Nope, neither the font size nor the super/subscripts work.

/me  sighs sadly.

Dang, I'm having way too much fun trying these.

[b]BB Code[/b]  Let's see if the "No BB code" code works.  Yes!  I can describe tags to people without having the tags acted upon!  Very cool!

Sorry.  I'll try to act a little more sober now.
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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2009, 01:09:20 AM »

I also vote for the possibility of setting one's own font as larger or smaller.

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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2009, 01:25:19 AM »

I also vote for the possibility of setting one's own font as larger or smaller.

The Fiona

See, a larger typeface, bolded, and centered with the [center][/center] codes, would let us make snazzy section headings.

New Section Heading
See, that, centered and in larger type, would be cool.  I wonder if we can get right-justified text?

Let's see if this is right-justified.

Probably not, but it's worth a try.
Nope.  Okay, I'll stay away from the fun codes page for a while.
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2009, 01:28:33 AM »

I also vote for the possibility of setting one's own font as larger or smaller.

The Fiona

See, a larger typeface, bolded, and centered with the [center][/center] codes, would let us make snazzy section headings.

New Section Heading
See, that, centered and in larger type, would be cool.  I wonder if we can get right-justified text?

Let's see if this is right-justified.

Probably not, but it's worth a try.
Nope.  Okay, I'll stay away from the fun codes page for a while.

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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2009, 02:37:46 AM »

I am totally mystified by the previous postings. They seem to me to be in a foreign language that I do not know.

However the fora are newly-designed, please don't require us to learn a new lingo.

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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2009, 04:49:13 AM »

The right-hand ad sidebar takes up a third of the page, which forces the reader to scroll down to see the links to actual stories in the middle column.  It's very annoying. Shrink the right-hand sidebar to 20 percent of the screen or less.
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