olivia2009
New member
Posts: 3
|
 |
« on: June 19, 2009, 01:32:13 PM » |
|
I passed my 3-year probationary period as a lecturer at my current institution a while ago, but am currently job hunting for a lecturer/senior lecturer position elsewhere. When people at that level get hired in your department, would their contract include a probationary period and if so, how long would that period typically be?
Many thanks in advance.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: June 19, 2009, 01:32:49 PM by olivia2009 »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
qrypt
Qryptacular & not really a Member-Moderator
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 5,208
the great vampire squid round the face of humanity
|
|
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 01:43:37 PM » |
|
No -- if you've passed the probationary period at a UK university, you won't be subject to probation at another UK university. I assume that, having passed probation, you've finished the godawful new lecturers' course; if not, then I can imagine someone arguing that you'd need to do that and perhaps attaching probation to it. But the two typically go hand in hand.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"I'm tired of being your love slave!"
"Does that mean I'm not going to get my coffee?"
|
|
|
olivia2009
New member
Posts: 3
|
|
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 01:52:02 PM » |
|
Many thanks, Grypt!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
secretweapon
|
|
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 02:03:35 PM » |
|
No -- if you've passed the probationary period at a UK university, you won't be subject to probation at another UK university. I assume that, having passed probation, you've finished the godawful new lecturers' course; if not, then I can imagine someone arguing that you'd need to do that and perhaps attaching probation to it. But the two typically go hand in hand.
I think if you've taught for 3 years you can get out of the course. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
If you want a cookie, bake a cookie.
|
|
|
|
science_expat
|
|
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 09:50:50 AM » |
|
We impose a probationary period on all new hires. It would probably only be for 1 year, however.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Professor of Something Scarily Scientific Sounding
|
|
|
expatinuk
Has spent over 1000 pounds but now holds a Brit passport!
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 6,564
From SC living in UK
|
|
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 10:43:15 AM » |
|
We impose a probationary period on all new hires. It would probably only be for 1 year, however.
Ditto for us... there's no way that we'd ever hire someone with 'tenure' from the get-go. However, I will say that you have to be pretty bad to get fired during a probationary period. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Expatinuk seems to be a Soviet Satellite in stationary orbit over the UK
It is what it is.
|
|
|
|
wegie
|
|
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 11:38:28 AM » |
|
We impose a probationary period on all new hires. It would probably only be for 1 year, however.
Ditto for us... there's no way that we'd ever hire someone with 'tenure' from the get-go. That's a me three for my last two employers. I'm fully expecting to have to do another one if I ever another academic job. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
qrypt
Qryptacular & not really a Member-Moderator
Distinguished Senior Member
Posts: 5,208
the great vampire squid round the face of humanity
|
|
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2009, 11:47:34 AM » |
|
So I'm wrong -- yikes. Are these newly instituted requirements?
I was right in my case, at least -- when I started my present job 3 years ago there was no probation.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"I'm tired of being your love slave!"
"Does that mean I'm not going to get my coffee?"
|
|
|
|
wegie
|
|
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 02:41:55 PM » |
|
So I'm wrong -- yikes. Are these newly instituted requirements?
Nope. My last job started in 1996 :-( |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
scotia
|
|
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 04:40:30 PM » |
|
So I'm wrong -- yikes. Are these newly instituted requirements?
I was right in my case, at least -- when I started my present job 3 years ago there was no probation.
I started a new job in January, having completed my probation elsewhere a few years ago, and have gone straight into a permanent contract. Apart from a couple of people who were forced to move because they failed their probation, I don't know of anyone in my circle of contacts who has had to have a second probationary period. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
britmom
I'm a slightly less sleep deprived, but still cranky
Senior member
Posts: 725
|
|
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 04:53:21 PM » |
|
My University generally doesn't require a second probationary period if someone has already passed probation elsewhere (however, I think that new Prof's are placed on probation for at least a year.)
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
olivia2009
New member
Posts: 3
|
|
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2009, 12:40:50 PM » |
|
Thank you all very much for your comments on this. From what has been said it seems that regulations regarding probationary periods differ across universities and possibly also disciplines, which I would not have expected.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
mlgab70
New member
Posts: 5
|
|
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2009, 02:42:01 PM » |
|
Hello, I am relatively new in my lecturer position. My university initially appoints new lecturers to a 5-year long 'professional development programme.' The first stage consists of the standard 3 year probationary period in the UK, and the next 2 define whether one gets the senior lecturer position.
I had no idea about this system when I accepted the offer. On paper the requirements involved evaluation of performance across all areas but now it is clear that success (and job security) is tied up to up to bringing a specific amount of research funds within the 5 year period.
Is this a common situation across the UK?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
scotia
|
|
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 02:05:23 AM » |
|
Hello, I am relatively new in my lecturer position. My university initially appoints new lecturers to a 5-year long 'professional development programme.' The first stage consists of the standard 3 year probationary period in the UK, and the next 2 define whether one gets the senior lecturer position.
I had no idea about this system when I accepted the offer. On paper the requirements involved evaluation of performance across all areas but now it is clear that success (and job security) is tied up to up to bringing a specific amount of research funds within the 5 year period.
Is this a common situation across the UK?
I have been knocking around the UK higher education system for a long time now and have not heard of it. I have certainly never heard of promotion to senior lecturer being tied in to anything (though at post-1992 universities SL means something different and it might make a bit more sense in that context). |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
mlgab70
New member
Posts: 5
|
|
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 05:49:54 AM » |
|
Thank you very much for your reply. This is not a post-92 university however but a 'smaller research intensive' university..Anyway, it is good to know it is not a generalised model.
It is shaped around the RAE/REF. They hire people that can enhance the profile and contribute publications in time for the RAE and they keep them -no strings attached- for the next research excercise...
the talk they give new employees about the probationary period is all about targets: there is a specific amount of money one is expected to contribute through research income within 5 years, apart from publications, teaching, admin, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
