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« Reply #90 on: June 09, 2009, 02:45:16 PM »


 In the humanities, $5-6K/course is something I've never heard of. 
It is what they pay where I am now. I am a big city girl :)
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« Reply #91 on: June 09, 2009, 03:25:09 PM »


 In the humanities, $5-6K/course is something I've never heard of. 
It is what they pay where I am now. I am a big city girl :)
That's what my grad university paid. But not to me. The schools that hired me (in a very big city) paid $2,500-$3,000.
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« Reply #92 on: June 09, 2009, 03:28:12 PM »


 In the humanities, $5-6K/course is something I've never heard of. 
It is what they pay where I am now. I am a big city girl :)

So am I, but I don't know anyone who ever got that.  Not saying it isn't true, just outside of my sphere of reality.
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« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2009, 03:53:17 PM »

The lowest I've ever seen in Canada is approx. 4K per course. The highest, I think, is at York, where they get in the upper millions per course.

From what I've been told, it's quite different in the US, where adjunct labour is much more exploitative, and many pt professors (take note, Shoefiend) end up getting paid less than minimum wage.



Shoefiend here.  I'm a longtime poster but I'm on my laptop and can't remember my password so a new moniker.

I strongly urge you not to reveal your regular moniker.
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« Reply #94 on: June 09, 2009, 04:29:16 PM »

I worked for a while at a school where, among other things, it was my job to make sure that we had adjunct staff for some classes.  We paid $400/credit hour for an adjunct with a Master's degree.  That was $1200 per three-hour course. 

To make $20,000 a year, that would be eight courses per semester (including a four-contact hour course; nine if we gave the person two two-contact-hour courses instead), which was quite impossible given that adjuncts were also asked to be available for office hours (even though we had no offices for them).  Add grading and class prep time, and you have an absurd load. 

People with Ph.D.s got $500/credit hour, which was not much better.  This was also what I got paid to teach an overload, which I did nearly every semester because there weren't enough adjunct hours available.
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« Reply #95 on: June 09, 2009, 10:44:31 PM »

In this country I saw a 3 story hotel being built - a block from the Raddisson where the rooms start at $375 a night. Concrete was being mixed by a man with a shovel.  The wet concrete was shoveled into wide baskets and women carried these on their heads into the construction site, up a steep ramp where it was unloaded  All of the work was being done with hand tools and human strength. None of these people considered themselves exploited.  This is the kind of work they are capable of doing and, with this country's huge population, the fact that they had work of any kind was good.  They can feed their families on what they made.

You aren't in tune with these people.   [Post edited for name calling-mods].  

So insightful Bread pirate naan.  You don't know where I was, to whom I spoke, what I asked them, what they said to me, how long I was there, whether I was working with them.  ...  Always good to see the empirical method at work. With such a complete lack of information I can only assume you were in the Bush administration working to develop policy in the sciences.

Kisses,

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« Reply #96 on: June 09, 2009, 11:16:49 PM »

Is it time for donuts yet?  Or maybe calling Igor or The_Goat?
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« Reply #97 on: June 09, 2009, 11:22:11 PM »

I read the ice cream thread on my BB, then stopped at the store for Dr. Bob's on my way home.
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« Reply #98 on: June 09, 2009, 11:23:49 PM »

I read the ice cream thread on my BB, then stopped at the store for Dr. Bob's on my way home.

You have to tell the flavor.  Yum, I just remembered Dr. Bob's Lemon Custard.

Why hasn't someone invented donut flavored ice cream yet?
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« Reply #99 on: June 09, 2009, 11:29:35 PM »

Sadly, lemon custard was not among the options.
Strawberry, sour cream, and brown sugar.
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« Reply #100 on: June 10, 2009, 10:23:52 AM »

Having just spent several weeks in an emerging country working with people living in generations of almost unimaginable poverty (on my own dime, using my vacation time) I have little sympathy for multi-degreed people whining about exploitation within the academy.  Get a grip people - there are really important issues in the world and the fact that you think job ads in academia are ridiculous is NOT one of them.


Shoefiend, you're comparing two different societies, and saying that the problems in one don't need to be rectified because the problems in the other outweigh them in some poverty scale you have created. But you're using a really narrow understanding of how poverty is lived.

Do we have unimaginable levels of wealth in our part of the world? No question, yes. Just the other day, I was reading something about how X amount of people in my province live below the poverty line, which was set, if I remember correctly, somewhere around 20K/year.

Twenty thousand dollars a year! I haven't lived on that much in over a decade! And yet, I don't feel poor. Of course, I'm a single person with no dependents. And I know that this is a temporary situation while I'm a student. I know that once I get a full-time job, my income will be two or three times that amount, and that my future income will allow me to build a retirement fund, and hopefully buy a house.

Because, see, our social institutions and cultural norms fit into a scenario where anything below 20K is poverty. It's not just about having the cash on hand to survive the day to day. Living in a society with such a high level of wealth means that families don't support their unmarried daughters indefinitely. It means that retirement is mandatory after a certain age (while, because of our tremendous wealth, our life expectancies continue to rise, giving rise to the need to save money to survive those ten, fifteen, twenty years without an income). It means that kids aren't expected to take on the entire financial burden for their retired parents, and don't plan for it in their own working budgets. It means that underage children cannot be asked to contribute to the household income. It means that rent in my city, for a crappy one bedroom apartment, runs anywhere from $700-$1000. It means that in order to have work, an applicant needs a telephone (and if you're applying for academic work, access to the internet). It means that in order to get welfare, you need an address (at $700/month?!) Because our standards of wealth are so high, these things aren't considered luxuries. A retirement plan is not a luxury. A $700/month address is not a luxury. Given the way our social institutions are based on this insanely high level of wealth, these are necessities.


In places where poverty is defined much differently, different social structures exist to attend (to some degree) to these kinds of needs. Of course, not knowing which society you're referring to, I can only make generalizations. But generally speaking, societies with lower standards of wealth and poverty tend not to individualize financial responsibility the same way we do.

You're right: the standard of living is comparatively much, much lower in most countries. And like you, I'm sickened by the thought of how much we have compared to the majority of the rest of the world. Our levels of consumption are outrageous. But that doesn't necessarily mean that there is no problem with poverty in western societies.


I'm glad that you pay your adjuncts $45/hour. Is that a living wage? I don't know. Depends, I suppose, on how many hours they are able to work. It sounds liveable to me, if we assume that the professor is only working those three contact hours a week, and can reasonably devote another 40 hours or so to another job. But most adjuncts are holding two, three, four courses - at $2000 a pop, they're still below the poverty line, but it's a liveable day to day wage for a single person, right? And they can always take another part time job to supplement, right? After all, four courses is only 12 contact hours a week. Still plenty of time to take a part time job somewhere else. Except that those four courses all require prep time. And grading time. And office hours. None of these are calculated into your $45/hour wage, are they?

Let's assume that each of those courses requires, say, eight hours of prep at the outset to get the syllabus set, books ordered, rough sketch of lecture and exam schedule. You're an adjunct, so you're hopping around from course to course, taking whatever you can get. Let's say that all of these courses require full prep. That's an unpaid labour total of 32 hours.

And let's say that each course requires about an hour or so prep time for each class session, and that each course meets twice a week. That's 8 more hours of unpaid labour per week.

And let's say that each course has on average one small assignment every two weeks that needs to be graded, and that it takes, say, two hours to grade and record the assignments for each class. That's another 4 hours of unpaid labour per week.

And say that each course has two exams - a midterm and a final. Setting these exams takes you anywhere from an hour to three hours per course, so let's average that out to two hours per course, so that's another 16 hours of unpaid labour.

Of course, you have to mark those exams, and since you're an adjunct, you don't get a TA. You do, however, get the overflowing intro courses with really high enrollment. Say your courses cap at 60 students. You've got four courses, so a total of 240 students. A few drop (a few always do), so let's round that down to 200 students. Now say that you can speed through an exam in roughly 15 minutes, so anywhere from 50-60 hours marking midterms, and another 50-60 hours marking finals. That's another 100-120 hours of unpaid labour. Let's average that out to 110 hours.

You also have the students in those courses write term papers, because you're in the humanities or social sciences and it's necessary that they demonstrate the ability to do research, to think critically, to write a paper. Now say that two of the courses are first-year, so the paper's pretty short - say 7 pages. But of course, these are first year students, so they need some guidance. The prep and teaching and scaffolded assignments that accompany this term paper (not to mention the extra office hours for students who are freaking out) amount to say, 15 extra hours for each class).

The students in the other two classes need less hand holding, so that lessens the work load somewhat. But their papers are longer - say 12-15 pages.

Then you need to mark all those papers. That's another 120-140 hours of unpaid labour.

And of course, throughout the term, you are required to hold office hours: at least an hour per course is the university's rule. But the department is pretty slack about that, so you figure you can combine office hours, and only offer them twice a week. That's another 2 hours of unpaid labour per week. But hey, maybe you can do your lecture prep during those two office hours - just schedule them before your class. Except that you don't actually have an office. Your office is a shared room with all the other adjuncts on that floor - say there are twenty of them. And two computers. That only work half the time. Without internet access. And say that at any given moment, six of those other adjuncts are also meeting students, or holding a make up exam. There goes your prep time.

And speaking of computers, most non-academic jobs will supply the grunt workers with the materials needed to do the job. Those women carrying cement on their heads didn't supply their own cement did they? But adjunct faculty are expected to have their own computers and access to the internet. They also have restrictions on photocopying and use of other departmental resources necessary to teach according to the standards of the institution. If your 10 year old computer crashes or you use up your photocopying privileges by midterm, you're SOL. If you can't afford home internet, then you have to do all your Blackboard work (a standard at this university) in the student computer lab, which means more time at work, away from home. Let's hope you aren't paying for childcare! But these are unexpected expenses, so let's not count them in our grand total.

Now let's add that all up! Assuming that the semester is roughly 3 months long, that's a whopping 386 hours of unpaid labour per semester, or about 32 hours/week on top of the 12 contact hours for four courses. 44 hours of work per week, for four courses, at 2-3 K/course. That's 8-9 thousand dollars a semester. Before taxes.

You might say that these people are choosing to put this much time into their courses. It's not like they absolutely have to have assignments every couple of weeks, or assign a term paper. They're choosing to overwork themselves. But these people know that if they're ever going to get out of the adjunct ghetto, they've got to have good teaching evaluations and letters of recommendation from their current employers. They can't afford to slack off, or they'll be stuck adjuncting forever.

And let's not forget the need to continue doing research if they're going to stay competitive. Being adjuncts, this isn't part of their job description. But it's necessary nevertheless.

Now, where are people supposed to find the time to take on a second part time job, working 44 hours a week? I bet those construction workers you saw worked more than 44 hours a week, though. Maybe we're just being precious. After all, leisure time is a privilege, right? Well, consider that not all of those courses are scheduled one after the other. They're spread out all over the map. You've got maybe two or three hours between courses on Tuesday and Thursday. And your MWF course (including office hours) has you on campus from 12-2PM. If you're lucky, all four of your courses are on the same campus, but let's not forget that a lot of adjuncts cobble together courses at different institutions, so travel time has to be taken into account here, too.

Still, you might be able to supplement your income with another part time job. A lot of places hire people in the evenings. But what if you've got kids? Who's looking after them? They're back from school at 3PM, but you're rushing from your last class of the day to wait tables during the dinner rush until 8PM. Child care is really expensive. And unlike in that unnamed country where Mom and Dad work 60 hour weeks carting cement around on their heads, and people don't move far away from family, you've only been able to pick up courses in the city where you did your own graduate studies - 1500 miles from home. The grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins aren't around to watch the little tykes in the evenings. And since we live in such a wealthy country, and child labour is so stringently enforced, you can't have your eldest child take care of the toddler for a few hours without Child Protection Services taking your kids away. So childcare it is.

But as someone who has worked 19 years as an adjunct, sometimes holding down as many as three other part time jobs, this is old news to you, right?


What I'm getting at is that it's a whole other world, Shoefiend. I get it: you were appalled at the level of poverty in this other country. Yes, it's horrible. But that doesn't make our own problems with poverty magically disappear.


But we weren't talking about exploitative adjunct labour. You brought that up to justify your pissy attitude toward people who, according to you, have no right to complain about anything when we live in a world with Starbucks and Walmart and immeasurable choice. (Incidentally, for someone so finely attuned to the horrors of poverty in the Third World, you don't seem to have a very good understanding of how these kinds of things contribute to unequal global distributions of wealth).

We were talking about crazy job ads that want the world, when you jumped in with your sanctimonious rantings about whiners and moaners who refuse to carry cement on their heads.
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« Reply #101 on: June 10, 2009, 11:09:05 AM »

In this country I saw a 3 story hotel being built - a block from the Raddisson where the rooms start at $375 a night. Concrete was being mixed by a man with a shovel.  The wet concrete was shoveled into wide baskets and women carried these on their heads into the construction site, up a steep ramp where it was unloaded  All of the work was being done with hand tools and human strength. None of these people considered themselves exploited.  This is the kind of work they are capable of doing and, with this country's huge population, the fact that they had work of any kind was good.  They can feed their families on what they made.

You aren't in tune with these people.  

So insightful Bread pirate naan.  You don't know where I was, to whom I spoke, what I asked them, what they said to me, how long I was there, whether I was working with them.  ...  Always good to see the empirical method at work. With such a complete lack of information I can only assume you were in the Bush administration working to develop policy in the sciences.

Kisses,

Shoefiend

Glad to see Grassy opting to do the 'splaining.

Not so glad to see fiendish gaps in some peoples ability to think critically about one's own work.

In this country I saw a 3 story hotel being built - a block from the Raddisson where the rooms start at $375 a night.

Were your subjects in any position to acquire skills that would allow them to earn enough to stay in those hotels, or did they just build them?  Do adjuncts earn enough to feed families and pay/save tuition for their children to subsist in the same economy of labor?


Concrete was being mixed by a man with a shovel.
 

Okay, one man-->shovel.


The wet concrete was shoveled into wide baskets and women carried these on their heads into the construction site, up a steep ramp where it was unloaded


Okay, many women-->heavy lifting+steep ramp.
 

Was the shovel heavier than the loads, because that suggests some social inequalities were being exploited. Not human strength, but male privilege.  Many fancy studies with numbers that boggle my mind, show men have a comparative advantage in work that requires strength.  Your example suggests that men have a comparative advantage in the work assigned to women.  Mean percentage in the upper extremities being somewhere between 44 and 88%.  Perhaps I'm not that bright, but I don't see anything in your example that explains why labor would be distributed between the sexes that way.  Especially when the range in lower body strength is even greater. 
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All of the work was being done with hand tools and human strength.

Are men generally stronger than women or does their skill with tools entitle them to use the shovel, while women do the work that will likely shorten their time in the workforce?  Are shovels really hard to operate, strength-wise or on some other level?  Perhaps your research did not deal with the distribution or economics of labor in this way?

None of these people considered themselves exploited.

What sort of social formation is required to conceptualize of inequalities in the ways academic labor can?  Does it matter who you spoke to or where when the broad strokes of your analysis are so arresting?

Who got paid more?  Were they compensated equally?  If the women were children or selling sex, would it make a difference how they were feeding their families if, and only if, they don't consider themselves exploited?

This is the kind of work they are capable of doing and, with this country's huge population, the fact that they had work of any kind was good. 

If people are poor enough and there are enough people in a place any work at a subsistence wage is good?  I don't work for the Bush administration, but your thinking is in tune with the Walmart/Kathie Lee sweatshop model.

This high falutin' concept of enough sounds very empirically sophisticated.  How many is enough?  What is good?  What are these people capable of and why?  is this a qualitative analysis or am I just not smart enough to play the number good enough game correctly?

They can feed their families on what they made.

What happens if they get sick or hurt?  Do you mean they can work until their daughters are grown enough to take their places? Or do you mean they and their their families are cheaper than pack animals, wheeled transport or job training that would develop a skill set larger than that of pack animals and low technology?  Something else?

Or perhaps it is fairly easy to produce a model or point of view from which inequalities can be described as exploitative, especially when that labor will be upsold to people like you and me, from,

wait for it,

 
here.
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« Reply #102 on: June 10, 2009, 06:33:10 PM »

Bread Pirate Naan and Grasshopper,

Not only are you two both really feisty (always a good thing in my book) but you both also gave impeccable responses to the stupidity of the remark that "those people didn't feel exploited" (forgive me if I didn't get the quote exactly right, but you know what I mean).

The best I could have come up with is some insufficient riposte about being certain that the House Slaves didn't feel bad at all, nawsuh, because after all, at least they weren't out in the fields under the hot sun all day or some relatively useless comment of that nature.  But what you both said really laid it out in a way that is hard to pooh-pooh and sign off with "kisses" (WTF was *that* all about, anyway?).

My "thinking cap" is on, though.  Maybe once tenured, I could get smart people together and we could write a book for parents of college-aged children with different chapters written by people in different disciplines.  The primary information that the parents would then get out of this tome would be the understanding of what the difference between an adjunct, a lecturer, and a t-t professor is; how a professor's time is spent and why it matters for junior; and what one gives up when one decides between the college with the climbing wall vs. the college with a low ratio of VAP and other temporary labor and ultimately chooses climbing wall, free lap-top on arrival, and kewl dorms but more adjuncts than full time professors.  Stuff like that.  (And if anyone wants this idea and wants to start a book now, go for it....).

If Oprah is still around and as important when I get tenure, I might see if I can do some sob-sister interview with her on the topic too.

I don't know.

Something needs to be done though.  We need to stick up for ourselves and we also need to stick up for the adjuncts.  I know that when I had one teaching one of the languages I teach, I used to write up the syllabus and exams, and had copies made for him because he had to take the bus to campus and had a limit on how much copying he could do at the copy center (I did not have a limit) and I also told him that if any of the snowflakes b*tched about anything (You give too much homework! or This class is haaaaaard! or Why caaaaaaaan't I web surf during class time?  You are a mean meany MEANPANTS!!!) that he was to answer thusly: Dr. Lurquita is in charge of this language area and I have been directly ordered to [fill in the blank].  If I allowed [fill in the blank], I run the very real risk of being fired.  If you are unhappy with this policy, please contact Dr. Lurquita for an appointment and perhaps you can persuade her otherwise, but I, myself have absolutely NO authority to change this policy."  The adjunct loved me, but I told him "Hey, you are not getting paid enough to catch the early bus so that you can get here with extra time to go to the copy center and you sure as heck aren't getting paid enough to make your own copies, that's ludicrous.  And last but not least, my brother, you are NOT getting paid enough to put up with bullsh*t from the undergraduates.  So don't feel like you should feel grateful.  This is how it should be, colleague."

And that really is how it should be.  T-t folk need to get off their cans and do what they can to make the adjuncts' lives easier.  It's easy to mouth platitudes about respecting them, but if you can't get off your duff and make those xerox copies, then shut the piehole and keep it shut, I say.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, but the whole issue of "they didn't feel exploited" really made me mad but I didn't know how to respond (plus I've decided that Shoefiend is not getting another answer from me; I will not lower myself to that level) so I really was impressed by Grasshopper and Bread Pirate Naan.

Next year is going to be hard, and we all need to keep thinking about ways to help each other, no matter how big or how small.

This is a great thread, and I'm glad it got put into motion.

Sincerely,

Lurquita
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« Reply #103 on: June 10, 2009, 07:18:36 PM »

It would be a real mistake for those in tenure-stream positions and those teaching on a contingent basis to allow themselves to become completely adversarial toward each other right now. Classic division based on superstructure. Contingent folks are always trying to claw their way into the tenure stream, and the tenure stream folks are increasingly at risk of falling back into the contingent labor reserve army.

I would suggest that everyone take a step back and pay attention to the structural shifts in academic labor that threaten us all. Underfunding higher ed. Textbook implementations of speedup across a number of dimensions (researching, teaching, and service). Think for a minute of students and enrollment/retention pressures as analogous to what happened in the home work industries of garment piece work, artificial flowermaking, or cigar making in the late nineteenth century. Hell, some things about distance ed are starting to look like early forms of Taylorism to me. If we do not stand together, we will assuredly hang separately.
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« Reply #104 on: June 10, 2009, 11:15:09 PM »

Lurquita, preach on! That being said, about your original complaints:

1. Some jobs really are not what you or I are looking for. I teach 4/4, but draw the line at 5/5. That may mean that one of these years I'll be out of a job and on to plan B, while someone else will continue happily along teaching 5/5. We'll all be better off.

2. Some job ads really do ask for a ridiculous amount of material. I've discovered that sending a portfolio rather than hand-tailored letters, and photocopies rather than official transcripts, will nevertheless yield interviews with some places that wanted custom letters and original transcripts. The places where it won't are indistinguishable from the places that don't interview me for any number of reasons, and it's long since stopped being useful to obsess about why one place asked for an interview and another one didn't. Maybe someone who's more obsessive than I am will get a job and I won't, but it's not worth my time to worry about.

3. Some SC's really are looking for an impossible combination of qualifications. In my limited experience, they will either hire someone who actually can teach Spanish 101 and Old English, or someone who says they can teach both. Sometimes neither the SC nor the hired candidate can tell the difference. The question facing job applicants is how they can keep a straight face while saying yes to everything.

And, sadly, insane job ads do not map perfectly onto insane departments. Sometimes you don't find out about the unreasonable expectations until the second week of the semester.
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