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« on: June 01, 2009, 06:33:19 PM »

Do you think that next year's hiring season will be better or worse than this year?  I don't have a clear idea, but my guess is that it will be slightly worse.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 07:17:18 PM »

I don't even want to think about it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 07:27:36 PM »

My place is hiring in 3 areas, a friend I spoke to today said two jobs at hers that were cancelled last year are on for this year.  Some places have growing enrollment and have found that the budget isn't as bad as feared---others?  They were over-extended at the state level or had endowments invested in ways that met the crisis in particularly bad ways.

I don't think it will be a good year but not everyone is in a crisis mode so there will be some hiring.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 07:40:26 PM »

My state school hired this year in a panic to get our searches under the wire. We are predicting a freeze next year.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 07:50:29 PM »

My state school hired this year in a panic to get our searches under the wire. We are predicting a freeze next year.

We had an unusually large number of hires this year and so will have a smaller number of searches next year.  But other places nearby delayed searches until next year and they will have to be filled sometime.  I think the biggest impact on the number of searches for next year will be that many people who planned to retire next year or in the near future are now delaying since their retirement funds took such a big hit this year and they can no longer retire in a lifestyle in which they have become accustomed.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 08:00:08 PM »

Well, my university is unduly proud that during the last "hard times," they cut TT faculty without laying them off. They just didn't replace them. If some of our elder faculty retire, I believe we will lose some lines to attrition. But I truly hope I am wrong. And I may well be.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 08:10:00 PM »

Some of the federal stimulus money, depending on how exactly it's doled out by the states' legislatures, may ease the pain a bit next hiring season at public colleges. I don't expect the hiring outlook to be much if any better than this past year, though--but that's a lot better than I would have predicted even just four months ago.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2009, 10:10:58 PM »

We followed through with all our hiring this year, but we're now on a hiring freeze, and from the administrative rhetoric, it sounds like it'll be a multi-year freeze or slow-thaw at best.

I suspect that it'll be alright. In some ways it might be better than this year since there will be less mid-search cancellations. What you see will be what you get.
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 10:49:51 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 12:23:54 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 01:10:24 AM »

Don't despair.

My place had a hard freeze this year, and my (small!) department will be doing two tenure-track searches next year.  Barring really, really bizarre twists, it's a done deal.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 02:20:47 AM »

Fugly. Worse than anyone's seen it for years, unless you like being an adjunct.


Just by observation, and focused more on public than private universities, there's a time lag between the recovery of the economy and univerisities hiring and holding regular staff. They get by with higher adjunct-to-T/T staff ratios. At least in the humanities and social sciences.

The lag was long after the 1990-91 recession, taking until the end of the decade to fully recover. In that case, it was retiring profs who weren't being replaced. In the public sector, that freeze on replacement was compounded by the new emphasis on reducing budget deficits at the time. I have the impression that in the private sector, volatility was much higher (stronger and quicker reactions in hiring and terminating staff).

This recession is a lot deeper, and it will take longer to get out of it. The availability of adjuncts means that the universities can cope with the increased demand for educational services that typifies a recession (Out of work? Get a degree!) without hiring the proper way:

Well, my university is unduly proud that during the last "hard times," they cut TT faculty without laying them off. They just didn't replace them. If some of our elder faculty retire, I believe we will lose some lines to attrition. But I truly hope I am wrong. And I may well be.

The sad thing is, the administrators making these decisions are either being rewarded for "consolidating the budget" or are the hatchet people for the people who do benefit and want to see the restrictions happen. I think it will be just that much more in our faces in the years to come that education is a business. It's not exactly that the good T/T jobs can be outsourced to the lowest geographical bidder. The competition is already there.

It will take us at least a decade to recover economically from the current recession, if we regain growth next year. The only real hope for the university system is if the public sector pushes money with strings attached, for economic stimulus.





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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 07:34:02 AM »

I suspect that it'll be alright. In some ways it might be better than this year since there will be less mid-search cancellations. What you see will be what you get.

This is not better. This is just a more visible nightmare.

Sure, I've heard some whispered rumours that some departments will be hiring. But next year's applicant pool will include all the people who didn't find work this year, competing with all the people who haven't found work in the previous few years, competing with all the new PhDs on the market next year. And we'll all be competing for fewer jobs.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 07:48:49 AM »

Endowed institutions usually base their budgets on a 3-year rolling average return.  That means budgets will continue to be cut for at least the next year before stabilizing.  When the economy starts to recover, it will be another couple of years before the budgets catch up.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 07:51:57 AM »

We canceled a search to replace our one retiring faculty member this year, and that position will remain unfilled forever. In canceling the search, we essentially lost the position altogether.

I agree with normative - more and more adjuncts are going to be hired to cover teaching and tenure-track positions are going to be few and far between. It's cheaper that way.

Next year will likely be like this year, potentially worse. But hey, the good news is that the market was always tough - and many have overcome the obstacle, whether by finding THE job or by finding something else to do.

Due to many different factors, today I'm having one of those "no way in hell I'm going back on the market next year" days. But, as with many of you probably, that feeling fluctuates.

It ain't gonna be easy, that's for sure.
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