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[egilson]

Don't forget, my top priotieis, as outlined by the univ., are publish, publish, and pulish some more--and then teach some. 

If that makes me a complete b!tch, so be it.

Not necessarily, but I'll admit that this thread is making me grateful for my dissertation advisor, whose demonstrated priorities (at an R1) are:

- active, engaged, and well-respected scholarship
- teaching both graduate and undergraduate students
- acting as the department's undergraduate studies advisor
- hand-holding and butt-kicking a double-digit cadre of grad students through various projects, deadlines, and breakdowns

plus department/college/university and community service work. I haven't ranked those things, as it's not my place to do so, but I suspect that my advisor constantly evaluates and shifts priorities as tasks, deadlines and resources demand. As a grad student, I think I am very lucky to have that as a model.

[nocalgirl]

Thanks, egilson, for your advice.  By the way, I am tenured @ an RI (albeit not a top program), and I think I am probably familiar with the local expectations at my institutions concerning my job descriptions. Your perception of what we do from a grad student's perspective, though far from complete, seems adequate (e.g., unversity-level service is missing).

Incidentally, your description does NOT include interacting with a slew of random people with transcripts in their hands, knocking on our doors...  So we seem to be in agreement here. Thanks.

[hapax]

nocalgirl, I feel genuinely sorry for your grad students. So far you have insulted them, insulted the grad students on this forum, and insulted grad students in general. We get it already. You're not interested in teaching them or dealing with them and clearly you aren't interested in the admissions process, either. Students are just a burden and a chore; they're naïve, self-centered, and totally oblivious to anything beyond their own skewed, inadequate view of academia. I can grant you that fielding inquiries from rejected applicants undoubtedly takes a lot out of your time. But honestly, if you are just interested in publishing and not dealing other aspects of being a professor, then what in the world are you doing teaching? You seem bound and determined to degrade and devalue any sort of possible contribution a grad student might bring to the table, even if it requires spectacularly poor reading comprehension skills on your part:

department/college/university and community service work.

Your perception of what we do from a grad student's perspective, though far from complete, seems adequate (e.g., unversity-level service is missing).

[asteria]

I appreciate everyone's input, but I particularly felt enlightened by the comments by those w/ actual insight into handling these situations.   

Sure, I'm happy to hear from grad students and CC instructors, but I can't necessarily relate to what they are saying, especially when they don't seem to understand the situation in the first place... Sure, we are equals as humans, but we don't have the same experiences AT ALL... Don't forget, my top priotieis, as outlined by the univ., are publish, publish, and pulish some more--and then teach some. 

If that makes me a complete b!tch, so be it.

That doesn't make you a b!tch, your attitude might, though.

Nocalgirl, once you post on this forum, you don't get to decide who responds. But maybe, next time you should add a line that says, "only people who share my informed perspective can answer my questions." Hmm.

[bread_pirate_naan]

I appreciate everyone's input, but I particularly felt enlightened by the comments by those w/ actual insight into handling these situations.   

Sure, I'm happy to hear from grad students and CC instructors, but I can't necessarily relate to what they are saying, especially when they don't seem to understand the situation in the first place... Sure, we are equals as humans, but we don't have the same experiences AT ALL... Don't forget, my top priotieis, as outlined by the univ., are publish, publish, and pulish some more--and then teach some. 

If that makes me a complete b!tch, so be it.

That doesn't make you a b!tch, your attitude might, though.

Nocalgirl, once you post on this forum, you don't get to decide who responds. But maybe, next time you should add a line that says, "only people who share my informed perspective can answer my questions." Hmm.

I have entirely too many positive associations with the word b!tch to apply it anywhere near this thread.

[conjugate]

I have entirely too many positive associations with the word b!tch to apply it anywhere near this thread.

This website used to be one of my favorites; I haven't looked at it in about three years, however.  Your comment reminded me of it.  It's still going strong, I'm pleased to see.

[scampster]

I have entirely too many positive associations with the word b!tch to apply it anywhere near this thread.

This website used to be one of my favorites; I haven't looked at it in about three years, however.  Your comment reminded me of it.  It's still going strong, I'm pleased to see.

I learned two things from your post.

1. The automated censorship on the fora applies to even embedded urls. It took me a few seconds to figure out why the link wouldn't work.

2. From reading the front page of the link, I apparently am a Heartless b*tch.

[bloated]

I feel genuinely sorry for OP. Way too many grad students replying here without addressing the acual issues, maybe because they are too close to the source of the problem. By attacking OP, the grad student participants here are only making the case FOR HER that she deals w/ know-it-all grad students.

* You tell a tenured professor how to do her job. You even tell her what her job description is (and you aren't even correct on those).

* You completely misquote what she said and attack her repeatedly based on your misinterpretation.

* You hijack the thread and make it YOURS.

* You think anything becomes true if you said it enough times.

As for dealing w rejected applicants, it sounds like OP just needs to work w/ her chair and check the institutional policy.  If there isn't any, your chair should establish a policy so it won't rest on individual faculty members.

[geogeek]

I can still remember making the transition from graduate student to postdoc to assistant professor.  I also remember the "great awakening" I experienced when I realized what the job of being a professor actually entails.  I thought I knew, but I really didn't.  Just sayin'.

[egilson]

I feel genuinely sorry for OP. Way too many grad students replying here without addressing the acual issues, maybe because they are too close to the source of the problem. By attacking OP, the grad student participants here are only making the case FOR HER that she deals w/ know-it-all grad students.

I think that at least some have reacted to the condescension expressed. While that's not a productive reaction, it is an understandable one. Both "graduate students are whiny, entitled, know-it-all children" and "professors are whiny, self-important, and self-aggrandizing jerks" are true for a few individuals, but they are not true for all even if dealing with the few can make it seem that way. I honestly believe that keeping that general principal in mind makes navigating through life among sometimes incompetent and frequently wrong people(1) with some serenity a lot easier.

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(1) Like, for example, me.

[bread_pirate_naan]

I feel genuinely sorry for OP. Way too many grad students replying here without addressing the acual issues, maybe because they are too close to the source of the problem.

Well, my first post was to mention a limited experience of such contacts leading to an undergraduate having the impression the contact made a difference.

The OP asked if the student was attending beauty school.  I confirmed that was not the case and said I would follow up.  Apparently, the "scholarship story" was suspicious.  I read that as an insinuation I was being lied to, complimented with the idea that I am associated with a non-academic institution.  The OP seems to have some "issues."

I did not respond to the rest of the topic because after 4 pages:

1.  Anyone who regularly reads the fora is well aware of strategies for handling poorly timed and inappropriate:
  phone calls
  office visits
  emails

2.  Good answers had already been offered by experienced faculty.

By attacking OP, the grad student participants here are only making the case FOR HER that she deals w/ know-it-all grad students.

She attacked a bunch of people she knew nothing about based on a huge number of ridiculous assumptions.  One being that an applicant (with substantial clinical interests) had no contact with people outside of undergraduate advising.

* You tell a tenured professor how to do her job. You even tell her what her job description is (and you aren't even correct on those).

Please link to those posts.  Your non-specific "You tell" is a general accusation which is not appropriate.  Please address specific contributors with your finger pointing.

* You completely misquote what she said and attack her repeatedly based on your misinterpretation.

Who misquoted her? She gave a number of people the impression that her responses were strangely controlling.

* You hijack the thread and make it YOURS.

No, I personally contributed the to topic and promised to follow up.  Then she went after students and claimed they shouldn't be on her thread.  That is not appropriate to forum standards of behavior, as any experienced forumite knows the OP is not in control of the thread. 

* You think anything becomes true if you said it enough times.

Like what?  The OP likes to think she is a "kewl" "b*tch"  grads want to hang out with.  Unfortunately, some decided her distorted self-image reflects equally poorly on her characterization of others as well.