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« on: May 26, 2009, 07:47:58 AM »

The Essay, "Will Higher Education Be the Next Bubble to Burst?" makes many excellent points about the lack of college affordability. However that essay contains one glaring error in fact and argument. The following statement: "In the meantime, online, nontraditional institutions are becoming increasingly successful at challenging high-priced private colleges and those public universities that charge $25,000 or more per year. The best known is the for-profit University of Phoenix .." 

The University of Phoneix is *not* challenging anyone based on affordability. In fact, the exact opposite is true. GetEducated.com is about to publish its 2010 rankings of college affordability for online bachelor degrees in business. Among the 95 regionally accredited institutions we rank the U of Phoenix ranks near the bottom (#84) for affordability. U of P charges almst $65,000 for its online bachelors in business whereas the least expensive online business degrees come from East Carolina U (under $12,000 for resdients) and the University of Wyoming (just over $16,000 for everyone nationwide). The average cost for an online degree bachelors in business is $42-43,000. Phoenix is competive in that the institution advertises super-aggressively and has removed all barriers to admission in a world that craves fast, easy, instant access to higher education.  When it comes to cost, however, the school gets a D- compared to the online college competition.  ~Vicky Phillips ~GetEducated.com
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 04:07:39 AM »

Thank God!

The increase in cost of higher education seems to be directly attributable to the largest factor which led to this "economic crisis" - a 27 year credit bubble which started in 1982.

That 440% over 25 years is not a mistake. It is a direct result of the free flowing monies made available for parents to pay for college, and a great marketing job by the higher education system. The US Federal government must be held largely responsible, for the following reasons:

1. Cheap credit due to persistently low interest rates. Rates definitely lower than what the market would price those funds at.

2. Pell Grants and other public forms of financing, based on US taxpayer generated revenues. With the government giving away money for people to pay for college, is it any surprise that more people applied and more people took out Stafford Loans and other financing arrangements made available by the US government. With such wide access to funds, colleges raised tuitions accordingly. Classic price inflation (not real inflation; the difference is explained below).

3. Market distortions. Sallie Mae and the Department of Education both actively worked to reduce the cost of college, just as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac worked to reduce the cost of "home ownership", and using many of the same methods. We see how well that worked for houses; why would we think the outcome would be different for college costs. Had these entities not existed, the funds would be much more expensive to acquire and conversely, you would expect to see lower tuition costs due to a lower supply of money available. Same for #2 above.

Obviously, there are other factors involved in that 440% over 25 years. However, when cheap money (credit) is available, prices will be bid up by those with access to it. It happened with houses and it happened with the best spots at good schools (and of course trickled down to less well known and worse schools).

Basically, the Federal Reserve generated inflation thanks to the easy money policies of Alan Greenspan, and this led to price inflation in many sectors of the economy, education among them. (Inflation is an increase in money and credit. Price increases are an effect of inflation, but they are NOT inflation themselves. The cause was cheap money.) More dollars in circulation means each dollar is worth less which means all things being equal, more dollars are demanded to acquire goods. The good, in this case, is a Bachelors, Masters or professional degree.

Colleges increased their tuitions. They paid faculty more, if faculty weren't demanding increases in pay. Staffs were probably paid more. Funds were directed into capital projects - new buildings, dorms, research facilities, athletic facilities. Not all of these projects can be, or were, economically viable. That is being shown now.

At the same time, the selective colleges became more selective, pushing demand down the curve toward "lesser" schools. (So if you didn't get into Harvard or Yale, maybe you become competitive at flagship schools in your state and others.) Once this tier filled, the next tier of students were pushed down the curve to the 3rd tier of schools, and so forth. More demand for limited supply of seats in a given academic class at each tier means, all things being equal, costs for those seats should increase.

You had large numbers of students -- Generations X & Y -- being sold a bill of goods that they make so much more money (income) over their lifetimes with a Bachelors degree. Then of course professional degrees and MBAs. Pursuit of those degrees have saddled many students with 6 figure debts. Well, debt is the other side of the credit coin; if you accept credit, you then owe a debt equal to the amount of credit you used.

So this bubble is long overdue to burst. Will it return to the kinds of numbers we saw when my parents were in undergrad in the last 60s/early 70s? Probably not. (My parents paid about $2000/year to attend the college that I went to. By the time my sister made to the same college, tuition was $13000 annually.) I do hope sanity returns to the market for education, and parents and students make better economic decisions across the board. Attending community college for some period of time, compressing your career by a semester or year via summer school and other means, and online classes are just the beginning. I hope they won't be the end.

There will be, and there should be, massive deflation in this space. The economics of obtaining a Bachelors degree stopped making sense a long time ago, IMO, for large swaths of the population. It did for me, and that occurred back in 1997. (I refused to take on debt to attend college. Maybe I'm spoiled, having grown up middle class, but my younger sister is drowning in her Bachelors and Master's debt.) However, many people continued playing the game, sheep being led to slaughter, without thinking.

I personally have little sympathy for these people -- which is most people -- for not THINKING and being manipulated by the marketing machines of the colleges and universities. No one puts a gun to a student's head and forces them to pay $30000, $40000, or $50000 to go to college for a year (or even $15000 from loans). Similarly, no one told insurance companies, banks, broker/dealers, investment banks, or hedge funds to buy slices of crappy mortgage backed securities originated during the boom. No one told private equity managers to try to financial engineer deals then overpay for the companies they bought in leveraged buy outs during the same time period, taking out obscene amounts of DEBT to do so. Finally, while corporate boards may have said they represented shareholders in these transactions, there were no guns at their heads - no lives at risk of being lost - to sell out to the PE shop that overbid the most. The boards encouraged these bidding wars, for whatever reasons, and the companies and their constituents (employees, customers, vendors) suffer as a result when the company goes (back?) into restructuring or liquidation. Soon, there will be colleges facing similar restructurings, having taken on too much debt. There are students restructuring their lives, in various was, to deal with the debt they took on to pay for their degrees. (Or worse, took on without obtaining a degree.)

All of these debts must be reconciled, written down, and wiped out. Debts that should never have been taken on, but which were made easy to take on by the machine. The easy money is now gone. This is a how deflation is made. And it is healthy; painful but healthy. I would be imminently surprised if college tuitions did not drop at all. It may not be a lot, or it may be a significant drop, but I see deflation in college tuitions coming just like debt deflation in the finance world.

Also consider all the lost time and emotional currency of people who went into fields they did not care about -- that they lacked passion for -- because of the need to service debt. That's an immense waste of energy, of time, and a huge psychological drain on society that has to be released in other ways. Who knows how those issues manifested in the real world. Alcoholism? Suicide? Career changes? Being disaffected, drained, disengaged, cynical, disillusioned (and God knows what else) at your job which you hold only to pay the bills, or has otherwise left you emotional unfulfilled, dissatisfied and bitter.

Simple math here. Historically, over long time frames, GDP growth has averaged something like 6% annually. So discount the average college tuition back to 1982 dollars, then calculate what that tuition would be today at a 6% annual growth rate. Basically, if college costs had grown in line with GDP (or even better "headline inflation" which has commonly been reported as 3%), what would that average cost be today? There's a question for someone to answer.

(To make you feel even worse, consider that "headline inflation" of 3% has been, and will continue to be, seriously underreported by the BLS due to all manner of statistical trickery like substitution and hedonic adjustments, owner's equivalent rent, and absurd weights for products in the BLS basket against which prices are compared. Of course, the irony is that one part of that basket is education costs, which were growing at a rate higher than every other component in the basket. However, I'm sure education costs were weighted much lower to help keep "headline inflation" low. Think about it. [IIRC, components in the basket are weighted geometrically.])
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 08:08:25 AM »

Heh. So much for that theory.

These people should be allowed to die broke. I don't want to subsidize such obvious stupidity.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=acHCZr.EZiv4

Aside: From talking to someone who graduated from Hopkins, it doesn't even make sense to have multiple majors. The first one that you satisfy requirements for will graduate you, without a chance to complete the requirements for #2 and #3.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 08:34:54 AM »

Heh. So much for that theory.

These people should be allowed to die broke. I don't want to subsidize such obvious stupidity.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=acHCZr.EZiv4


But, isn't "such obvious stupidity' subsidizing your job?
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 03:45:12 PM »

There is another key reason the bubble may burst: the relatively low priority given to teaching students at the leading universities.  I recently heard from a student at Stanford that his freshman chemistry class was taught by a foreign professor who was nearly unintelligible. Not a recitation section - the main lecture. That is an extreme and, I hope, rare example The real problem is that improving teaching at the university is almost always considered an auxiliary, rather than central, task. The small number of faculty doing research in this area (our own teaching, not that of the K-12 world) demonstrates the low priority.

At my research university, atypically, many faculty members in a large department (physics) have devoted serious research time (100-150 person years, spread over ten years) to researching the effectiveness of different teaching approaches.  The result has been a remarkable improvement in the amount of physics learned in numerous different courses.  The demonstrable, repeatable improvement ranges from 30% to 50% more learning than in the same classes 10 years ago.

I am waiting with curiosity to see how the university administration rewards this accomplishment.  Had we produced cars that get 30-50% better mileage the world would be pounding on our door, and the university would be publicizing the result and seeking more funding and more FTEs in the area.  All we've done is to improve student learning....
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 02:07:10 PM »

There is another key reason the bubble may burst: the relatively low priority given to teaching students at the leading universities.  I recently heard from a student at Stanford that his freshman chemistry class was taught by a foreign professor who was nearly unintelligible. Not a recitation section - the main lecture. That is an extreme and, I hope, rare example The real problem is that improving teaching at the university is almost always considered an auxiliary, rather than central, task...

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Since most institutions in the US are teaching-oriented rather than research-oriented, I'm not sure this is as big a deal as you present it to be.

At a large proportion of the big-name places? Even the non-big-name R1s and many if not most R2s? Sure--I think you're exactly right, and it's a problem. Most students' experiences, though, do not come from places like that.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 03:42:23 PM »

I just don't see this bubble as bursting. I recently read in our esteemed CHE of a program designed to increase the proportion of community college students making the transition to 4 year colleges. The main issue that they seem concerned with is that students cannot figure out how to transfer - that the information available is too jargon laden. Really? I want a student who can't figure that out in my classes? I haven't looked that closely at most of them (although I have looked at the specific one referenced in the article - UT Austin). Every university site I have ever played around with has a specific section for transfer admissions. If a student can't find this information and follow the directions, or at least contact someone who could answer their additional questions, how well will they be able to perform in upper division coursework?
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 05:11:33 PM »

There is another key reason the bubble may burst: the relatively low priority given to teaching students at the leading universities.  I recently heard from a student at Stanford that his freshman chemistry class was taught by a foreign professor who was nearly unintelligible. Not a recitation section - the main lecture. That is an extreme and, I hope, rare example The real problem is that improving teaching at the university is almost always considered an auxiliary, rather than central, task. The small number of faculty doing research in this area (our own teaching, not that of the K-12 world) demonstrates the low priority.

At my research university, atypically, many faculty members in a large department (physics) have devoted serious research time (100-150 person years, spread over ten years) to researching the effectiveness of different teaching approaches.  The result has been a remarkable improvement in the amount of physics learned in numerous different courses.  The demonstrable, repeatable improvement ranges from 30% to 50% more learning than in the same classes 10 years ago.

I am waiting with curiosity to see how the university administration rewards this accomplishment.  Had we produced cars that get 30-50% better mileage the world would be pounding on our door, and the university would be publicizing the result and seeking more funding and more FTEs in the area.  All we've done is to improve student learning....
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 02:35:22 PM »

We have millions of immigrants streaming in from a culture that hasn't bought into the idea that a Million Dollar Diploma is worth it.  We have a totalitarian marxist regime that preaches a dogma of uniform compensation, that if put into place would remove any return on  investment of huge amounts of money, time, and societal resources.  We have a growing core of unemployable but highly "educated" credentials-holders.  We have a paying customer base that is far removed ideologically from the radical marxist tenured professor class.  Since WWII, the education establishment has had a monopoly franchise, unlimited government support for price increases, and a huge pool of undiscriminating and thoroughly indoctrinated customers.  Events are conspiring to change these conditionsthat have allowed this giant ripoff to continue unabated for 50 years.
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