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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2009, 03:05:00 AM »

But I suppose there's always the danger of not coming back from "a mission."  ;  )
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2009, 09:04:47 AM »

Also, I stick with the mainstream because I've decided it's best among all the approaches, not because I don't know about other approaches. 

a program as a whole should, for the most part, stick with the mainstream.  But within the program there should be room for novel approaches.   I tend to treat the language courses I teach as sort of living laboratories always on the look out for "interesting failures" and what I can learn from them.  Too many of the leading researchers in the second language education field don't actually teach language classes anymore (typically thinking of them as something for newbies and MA holding practitioners). 

I see is as being a combat pilot in an active theater vs. a flight instructor back home.

Yup, definitely a different fields things.  Every "novel approach" that I've seen come along in my field is directly counter to the goal of composition courses--orientation to academic writing at the college level.  All the "novel approaches" that go on about subject positions, and negotiating identity, and students' non-academic discourse communities . . . just no.  The purpose of the course is academic writing basic training.  No one asks math professors to do things that are new!! and interesting!!  In my field, and in my courses, to put it bluntly, boring is best.
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« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2009, 04:24:54 AM »

Yup, definitely a different fields things.  Every "novel approach" that I've seen come along in my field is directly counter to the goal of composition courses--orientation to academic writing at the college level.  All the "novel approaches" that go on about subject positions, and negotiating identity, and students' non-academic discourse communities . . . just no.  The purpose of the course is academic writing basic training.  No one asks math professors to do things that are new!! and interesting!!  In my field, and in my courses, to put it bluntly, boring is best.

I don't mean going all pomo on the students.  Still, just as in the sub-field of teaching second language writing there must be some approaches that are more innovative.  For example, in the field of language teaching the "mainstream" model (in the sense of most common) is still "student writes composition/teacher corrects grammar of composition."  Approaches which focus on the process rather than the product are, in my experience, hugely more likely to bring about improvements.  Yet this approach is largely unknown "in the mainstream."  Of course some teachers are pretty hopeless no matter what approach they use.

I would suggest that it's more likely that an active researcher (whether Ph.D., MA, or active practitioner) will try something innovative vs. the "Freds" who teach based of "perceived standard practice."   
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« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2009, 01:01:09 PM »

I would suggest that it's more likely that an active researcher (whether Ph.D., MA, or active practitioner) will try something innovative vs. the "Freds" who teach based of "perceived standard practice."   

I think a great deal of who does and who does not "innovate" in the classroom is determined by teaching workload and faculty status in the college. For instance, a commuting adjunct or full time lecturer may not have either the time nor institutional resources/support to experiment with new approaches. Furthermore, a non-tenured professor may not be "allowed" to experiment with their teaching practices to any large degree. For those non-tenure line people that are permitted teaching flexibility, they may not desire to experiment with their class if there is any serious risk of receiving negative student evaluations.

Oftentimes the only "innovation" I see in the adjunct/lecturer world of teaching involves dumbing down of curriculum and grade inflation. Both of these tend to positively favor student evaluations, which is commonly the dominant (if not sole) determiner of contract renewal. I really cannot poke fingers at adjuncts and lecturers who do this, when their job security (such as it is) is so tenuous to begin with.
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« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2009, 03:05:35 PM »


No one asks math professors to do things that are new!! and interesting!! 

Not completely true, but nearly so.  There is a fair amount of debate on the "role of lecture in teaching math," with many people proclaiming that lecture is dead, and others asking how a student is supposed to figure out how to solve a quadratic if the teacher isn't allowed to tell them (i.e., lecture them about) how to solve it.

I won't get involved in that debate here; but I'd say 95% or more of math classes are primarily lecture-based.
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