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« on: May 05, 2009, 08:31:28 AM » |
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Does anyone know if it is possible to be full-time in more than one college if both are in different states? One is tenured-track and the onther all online.
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new_bus_prof
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 08:44:17 AM » |
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Usually you have to disclose any and all additional jobs to the TT college (not sure about the online college); otherwise it could be grounds for automatic termination.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 08:46:47 AM » |
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It's Coach Jay! Hey Coach Jay! ::waves madly::
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 09:16:37 AM » |
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If you search the Chronicle archives you will find stories of people getting in trouble for exactly this. But they're just the ones who got caught.
Actually in the Google era you couldn't not get caught. Go check your faculty handbook but also ask a trusted senior colleague how this will be perceived when you go up for tenure.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 09:19:27 AM » |
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My last job seemed to be cursed in that area. I m aware of 3 instances where we hired a full timer who held another job for a while. The first was found pretty quickly. He worked (on paper) full time for us and the next closes university 80 miles away. It was also a state university and he was found out pretty quickly. I think that both places fired him.
The second was (on paper) ABD and we gave him all sorts of accommodation to allow him to finish his degree. The problem was that he was teaching a full load there and was only working on the PhD part time to start with! His contract was not renewed.
The third was foreign. They were teaching for us for about 3 years, was granted tenure and then requested a leave so that he could return to their other job (where they were currently on unpaid leave) to put in another year so that they qualify for retirement. They were given an ultimatum to deliver a letter of resignation for the other school and refused a leave.
Now, none of these were for online schools, but we do have a form that we have to complete declaring all of our outside employment.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 11:25:39 AM » |
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I did this and got away with it for a calendar year but the actual overlap was only one semester (2 of 3 at Univ A and 2 of 3 at B College). Neither employer had any restrictions to the best of my knowledge. There could easily have been something in some handbook somewhere but nothing in anything I signed my name to. Actually one of the jobs was 3/4 time. It was extremely difficult but on balance it was worth it as I saved $50k in nine months. I'm still at one of those jobs: the better one!
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 11:56:59 AM » |
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Why is the 4ell would you ever do such a thing? Where is your dedication, man?
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 12:04:03 PM » |
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Why is the 4ell would you ever do such a thing? Where is your dedication, man?
Uh, because it's hard to live on $38,000/year as a first year TT professor. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 12:44:59 PM » |
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Our uni. has a handbook policy against this. Anyone caught would immediately be fired.
Hiya, Coachjay! Hope you're still in your favorite university and/or favorite city!
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 02:31:24 PM » |
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I was under the impression that coachjay was in a very cheap part of the country. In middle America, one could have a decent apartment, a steady diet of pizza and beer, AND health insurance for 38k a year.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 04:43:18 PM » |
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I was under the impression that coachjay was in a very cheap part of the country. In middle America, one could have a decent apartment, a steady diet of pizza and beer, AND health insurance for 38k a year.
It's still challenging to pay off that $50-100K in student loans on that kind of salary.... : ) Not everyone got a free ride in grad school. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 07:15:40 PM » |
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Have you ever had a full-time academic position? There is a huge amount of work involved which is why schools have the rules about not having outside employment.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 07:28:04 PM » |
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My place has a rule against this. My last place fired someone, mid-term, for doing this. And we haven't offered $38K for a tt job to a social scientist holding a PhD in 10 years, and we're in flyover country.
Don't do it. You'll risk losing both jobs.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 09:48:42 PM » |
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Enough moral posturing already. Lots of people in this country have held two FT jobs! For some folks near the bottom of the economic ladder it is a multi-generational way of life. There is nothing scandalous or morally wrong with doing so, so long as you are not slacking off on either job.
But as a practical matter, your college almost certainly has a rule against it, and you almost certainly will get caught.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 09:54:00 PM » |
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