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beryl
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« on: March 30, 2009, 09:45:25 PM »

I'm applying for a short term job in the humanities in Ireland. It's a 10 month contract for a "lecturer," which I understand to be roughly equivalent to a VAP. I'm not very familar with the Irish system, although I've been to Ireland. I defend my dissertation in May. I'm trying to gauge my odds and wondering how often Irish universities hire new PhDs fresh out of grad school. Any general advice from posters who know the Irish system would be greatly appreciated!
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 09:57:32 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 04:14:01 AM »

The Irish system does hire freshly minted people, but in my experience they tend to be locals.


 
Take me with you.  Please.

Ireland right now is not all you may think...the economy is out of control in the dumps, house prices are still way too high, crime is on the rise....  The Ireland of TV commercials does exist, just not near any of the universities!
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beryl
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 06:54:38 PM »

Any particular reason they tend to hire locals? Is it just networking?

I'd like to work at an Irish university, so I'm looking for a way to get a foothold.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 04:29:52 AM »

I only have anecdotal information on this.  I live and work in Ireland in academia but not for one of the state-run universities.

My (brief) experience has been that there are a lot of recent PhD's in Ireland out there looking for jobs, and there aren't many of those jobs to be had.  Ireland can be fairly insular, and my gut feeling is that most of the time they would go for a home-grown product.  Times are tough right now for university funding in Ireland as well.  Unless of course you had something spectacular to offer or were in a field that would benefit from an international perspective.  I do know there are several expats (US, Canadian, UK) working at Trinity and University College Dublin.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 04:34:57 AM »

To reiterate the point on costs -- I was recently in Dublin, had a look in estate agents windows -- housing costs are preposterously high: €500,000 for a two-bedroom hovel in nothing like a desirable location.  Everything else was expensive as well, but housing was absurd. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 04:43:51 AM »

The Irish system broadly uses the same titles as the UK system so, at some universities at least, "lecturers" may also be permanent staff roughly equivalent to assistant professor. I have a friend from my undergraduate days who went to work at a university in Ireland on a temporary 12 month contract and is still there a very long time later. They liked him and he liked them (he did his PhD while working, which was not uncommon at the time).
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 07:48:24 AM »

I only have anecdotal information on this.  I live and work in Ireland in academia but not for one of the state-run universities.

My (brief) experience has been that there are a lot of recent PhD's in Ireland out there looking for jobs, and there aren't many of those jobs to be had.  Ireland can be fairly insular, and my gut feeling is that most of the time they would go for a home-grown product.  Times are tough right now for university funding in Ireland as well.  Unless of course you had something spectacular to offer or were in a field that would benefit from an international perspective.  I do know there are several expats (US, Canadian, UK) working at Trinity and University College Dublin.

It's a case of the devil you know versus the devil you don't know.  It's certainly not a case of xenophobia and there are plenty of non-Irish academics in all of the Irish universities.  It's possible that you will be passed over for an equally qualified Irish candidate (one who has paid his dues in the system, and will stick around forever), but you wouldn't be passed over for a less qualifed local.  Some departments will also be extremely happy to hire an outsider who will breathe new life into the department - a lot of people hang around and do odd jobs and part-time teaching while looking for academic jobs after their PhDs (the same in the UK).  This is because, like in the UK, you usually need publications to land a job, and it can take a bit of time to get the publications out after the PhD.

The cost of buying a house in Ireland is astronomical, but renting is reasonable, and I doubt the OP would buy a house for a 10-month job.  Irish universities provide a very good research life - lots of seminars and conferences.  Plus, the pub culture makes it really easy to network and meet other academics.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 10:12:52 AM »

To reiterate the point on costs -- I was recently in Dublin, had a look in estate agents windows -- housing costs are preposterously high: €500,000 for a two-bedroom hovel in nothing like a desirable location.  Everything else was expensive as well, but housing was absurd. 

It's not quite so bad these days, but still far more expensive than the US and most parts of the UK.  In Dublin you can now get  2 a new bed apartment in a not so great area fro about €225,000.  Detached houses within 5 miles of city centra probably start around €400,000 for an area worth considering.  But, rents are far more reasonable.  I pay €1250 per month rent on a place that is also for sale at €450,000, which isn't much of a return for the landlord!

I'll still be waiting a while before buying anything here.
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 07:42:53 AM »

As an expat at an Irish university, with experience with institutions in the US and continental Europe, I can say that Irish universities are open to hiring foreigners (and not just TCD and UCD). There are even quite a few expats teaching Irish literature at universities throughout the Republic.

The academic structure is similar (but not identical) to the UK. As was previously noted, the rank Lecturer comes in two varieties: fixed-term, which would be analogous to a VAP position (typically these can be renewable, but see below) and permanent, which is effectively like an Assistant Professor but with tenure.

In terms of how universities operate, it's quite different from the US, so if you get the job there will be a learning curve.

Cost of living is high, but salaries are generally commensurate, but see my qualification below about the recession. Buying a house can be challenging, but rents aren't too bad.

Relocation reimbursement is laughably negligible here, so be warned.

If you like eating out, Ireland is not a good country to live in. With some exceptions, restaurants tend to be both overpriced and bad. Other than that, I find the quality of life to be excellent (but then I'm not too bothered by rain).

In terms of applying, you'll probably need to revise your cover letter. As with the UK, there is much less braggadocio than in the US. I've seen letters from Americans be scoffed at for their pretension. So, tone it down a bit; but of course you do still need to sell yourself.

The hiring process is much simpler than the US. Roughly a month after the deadline for application, a shortlist of 4-6 candidates will be made. The candidates are then invited to the university, usually 2-3 weeks after the short list is announced. They all present and interview on the same day (sometimes it will be spread over two days). This means that you will almost certainly run into at least a few of your competitors. Typically a decision will be made soon after the final interview. So, if you don't hear from them the evening of the interview or the following day, you probably didn't get the job (I found out the night of my interview).

Because universities reimburse travel costs for the interview, I'm not sure how willing they would be to shortlist a candidate from the US for a fixed-term (as opposed to permanent) position. I know that candidates from Europe do get shortlisted for fixed-term jobs, but the cost of a trans-Atlantic ticket might put you at a disadvantage.

Ireland has been very badly hit by the recession and universities are feeling the pinch. When I moved here taxes were surprisingly low for a European country, but that's in the midst of changing now. There are stories of across-the-board hiring freezes at universities:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0402/1224243862485.html

It's unclear (yet) if this affects job searches that are already in motion or if it's just for future hires. In any case, it looks like many fixed-term jobs will not be renewed when the contract expires.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2009, 06:48:01 PM »

Thanks for that overview, ironist! It sounds like it's possible to a get job there, but not necessarily easy. I saw a job ad for a "teaching assistant" in my field with a 10 month contract. Is this equivalent to as adjunct or temporary lecturer? The pay seemed reasonable.

The application process seems pretty different as well. I'm filling out an online application right now that asks for details of teaching experience and then prompts you to "comment briefly on the teaching role including your objectives in teaching, methods you use to seek those objectives and personal assessment of your results in seeking those objectives." Would this essentially be my teaching philosophy? And how extensive should I be in my responses? It says the fields will hold up to 4,000 characters, but I'm not sure what the convention is.

At this point, I think the only thing I can do is publish more and keep applying when positions open in my field (which isn't very often).
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2009, 05:07:12 AM »

A Teaching Assistantship in Ireland would be roughly equivalent to that position in the US. Depending on the discipline, there will be some differences. It's definitely not the same thing as a Lecturer. Because it's a very junior position I'd doubt that someone outside Ireland would be considered, but it might be worth trying anyway, especially since with electronic application you're not even out the cost of a stamp. It'll depend on how many locals are in your field.

The question you cite is indeed the teaching philosophy statement. It's more-or-less the same as the American version, but it need not be as strictly formulaic. I'd submit something no less than approximately 2000 words.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2009, 06:18:58 AM »

Thanks for the link, Ironist. I hadn't realized it was so bad.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2009, 04:15:11 PM »

Beryl,

The application procedure in Ireland is essentially the same as in the UK and, since there are many more universities there, there are a number of threads on these fora that contain advice for applying. Such as: http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,39606.0.html
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 02:50:43 PM »

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