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[The English edition was first posted in Philosophy Chart Forum]
Why the Millennium Ranking?
Global university ranking has become a common phenomenon, but the results have been mixed at the best. The THES – QS ranking depends on subjective methods, which in turn is a reflection of personal impressions of the interested parties. The top four have been typically Harvard, Yale, Oxford and Cambridge. Even though I did not expect such a rating to be balanced and objective, it is still astonishing to see that 19 out of the top 20 universities are in the English-speaking countries, which inevitably undermines its credibility. The ENS professional ranking, on the other hand, is based on the income and power of the graduates. This pragmatic approach has been hampered by the impact of the differential cost of living that is rather difficult to calibrate to say the least. The outcome of this ranking is also highly biased, as indicated by the fact that four out of the top ten are Japanese universities, an indicator of the high cost of living in Japan rather than a better education. The so-called academic ranking by Shanghai Jiaotong University is allegedly obtained by calculating the papers on Nature, Science and those cited by SCI、SSCI、AHCI, etc. This kind of indiscriminate addition of numbers fails to take into account of the differential significance of research projects in different fields, and strongly favor those universities producing a large amount of low quality papers. Perhaps the project leaders thought that this undesirable influence could be neutralized by including papers on big name journals such as Nature and Science. In reality, it merely produces new distortions as the two journals are devoted exclusively to natural science especially life science, which is only a small part of the university research and education. Worst of all, it has been found that the results is irreproducible by independent parties. Obviously, the credibility of this ranking is in doubt. Regardless, all the existing rankings are current rankings, which could not reflect the historical contribution of relevant schools and the overall trend of evolution of the rankings. Hence, it leaves much to be desired. This is particularly obvious if we consider the fact that the modern university system has a history of approximately one thousand years, during which time a modern industrial civilization sprung up. We gained tremendous progress, if I may, in our understanding of the universe, the structure of matters, the life on earth, as well as the psychological and social phenomena, and made numerous attempts to renew our theory of ethics, belief, and philosophy. It was within the time frame that things took place and evolved; we may not be able to gain a complete understanding of it without considering the time factor as it played and still plays a critical role in determining our lifestyle and our way of thinking. For this purpose, a new method of evaluating the scholars has been devised, which would receive further treatment later, to evaluate historical performance of various institutes. The result speaks for itself on the validity of this approach.
Methods and Conclusion
First of all, a number of outstanding scholars were selected based on their achievements. No quota was given to any fields of study. As matter of fact, all the fields are merely divided into five areas: physical sciences, engineering, biology, medicine, and arts. A high standard was adopted to minimize the differential academic attainment by different scholars. Politicians with important influence on the history are also included. Altogether, approximately 1400 names were selected. Each selected person gives a positive score to relevant colleges and universities. The sum becomes the score of the schools, which forms the basis of the ranking. Only the existing universities are ranked. A university that have been functioning as a single entity but divided recently is treated as a single university. All the colleges and affiliated institutes are considred part of a university.
I. Academic Ranking
A. Millennium Cumulative Ranking
The following reflects the cumulative scores from the 11th until the 20th century.
1 Université de Paris 2 University of Cambridge 3 Harvard University 4 Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin 5 Georg-August-Universität Göttingen 6 University of Oxford 7 University of Chicago 8 Columbia University 9 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 10 Princeton University 11 Московский государственный университет имени М. В. Ломоносова 12 University of California, Berkeley 13 University of London 14 École Polytechnique 14 Cornell University 16 Leland Stanford Junior University 17 Санкт-Петербургский государственный университет 18 California Institute of Technology 19 École normale supérieure 20 Yale University 21 Ludwig-Maximilian-Universität München 21 Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule Zürich 23 Alma Mater Studiorum Università di Bologna 24 Ruprecht-Karls-Universität Heidelberg 25 Università degli Studi di Padova 25 Universität Leipzig 27 Rheinische Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universität Bonn 28 Johns Hopkins University 29 Universiteit Leiden 30 Université de Strasbourg 31 Universität Wien 32 University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 33 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 34 University of Wisconsin-Madison 35 Московский Физико-Технический институт 36 Københavns Universitet 36 New York University 36 University of California, Los Angeles 39 University of Minnesota 39 Universität Hamburg 41 Российский государственный университет имени Иммануэла Канта 41 University of Edinburgh 41 東京大学 Tokyo Univ. 44 Università degli Studi di Roma “La Sapienza” 44 University of Pennsylvania 44 University of California, San Diego 47 Università degli Studi di Pavia 47 Philipps-Universität Marburg 47 Technische Universität München 50 Albert-Ludwigs-Universität Freiburg 50 University of Calcutta (কলকাতা বিশ্ববিদ্যালয়) 52 Eberhard Karls Universität Tübingen 52 Martin-Luther-Universität Halle-Wittenberg 52 Friedrich-Schiller-Universität Jena 52 Technische Universität Berlin 52 Uniwersytet Warszawski 52 Victoria University of Manchester 58 Universität Basel 58 Universität Zürich 58 École nationale des ponts et chaussées 58 École nationale supérieure des mines de Paris 58 University of Toronto 58 City College of New York (City University of New York) 58 University of Washington 58 Rockefeller University 66 Uniwersytet Wrocławski 66 京都大学 Kyoto Univ. 66 Carnegie Mellon University 69 Universidade de Coimbra 69 Università di Pisa 69 Universiteit Utrecht 69 Московский государственный технический университет им. Н. Э. Бауманаа 69 Duke University 69 Санкт-Петербургский Государственный Политехнический Университет 75 Univerzity Karlovy v Praze 75 University of St Andrews 75 Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg 75 McGill University 79 University of Glasgow 79 Uppsala universitet 79 Université de Genève 79 Università degli Studi di Torino 79 Karl-Franzens-Universität Graz 79 Friedrich-Alexander-University, Erlangen-Nuremberg 79 Imperial College, London 79 Washington University in St. Louis 79 University of Texas at Austin 88 Uniwersytet Jagielloński w Krakowski 88 Christian-Albrechts-Universität zu Kiel 88 Université de Lyon 88 Case Western Reserve University 88 Universiteit van Amsterdam 93 Università degli Studi di Ferrara 93 Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 93 Universität Karlsruhe 93 University of Virginia 93 École centrale Paris 93 University of Colorado 93 Vanderbilt University 93 University of Bristol 101 Universidad de Salamanca 101 Université de Montpellier 101 Universität Rostock 101 University of Dublin 101 Eötvös Loránd Tudományegyetem 101 Львівський національний університет імені Івана Франка 101 Budapesti Műszaki és Gazdaságtudományi Egyetem 101 Казанский государственный университет 101 Харківський національний університет імені Каразіна 101 Amherst College 101 Indiana University 101 Universidade de São Paulo 101 University of Sheffield 101 Université Libre de Bruxelles 101 Purdue University 101 Illinois Institute of Technology 101 Уральский государственный университет 101 Московский авиационный институт 119 Université d'Orléans 119 Università degli Studi di Firenze 119 University of Groningen 119 Tartu Ülikool 119 Karolinska institutet 119 Universiteit Gent 119 George Washington University 119 University of California, San Francisco 119 Rheinisch-Westfälische Technische Hochschule Aachen 119 Ohio State University 119 Stockholms universitet 119 University of Liverpool 119 École Supérieure de Physique et de Chimie Industrielles de la Ville de Paris 119 Націона́льний техні́чний університе́т Украї́ни «Ки́ївський політехні́чний інститу́т» 119 北京大学 Peking Univ. 119 University of British Columbia 119 Australian National University 119 Новосибирский Государственный Университет 137 Università degli Studi di Napoli Federico II 137 Université de Toulouse 137 Université catholique de Louvain 137 Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz 137 Universidad Complutense de Madrid 137 University of Pittsburgh 137 Université de Bordeaux 137 Санкт-Петербургский Технологический Институт 137 University of Birmingham 137 University of Cape Town 137 University of Leeds 137 Київський національний університет імені Тараса Шевченка 137 University of Florida 137 University of Melbourne 137 University of Maryland, College Park 137 Università degli Studi di Milano 137 Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität Frankfurt am Main 137 Московский Инженерно-Физический Институт 137 State University of New York at Stony Brook 156 Università degli Studi di Perugia 156 Universitat de Barcelona 156 Université de Poitiers 156 Ernst-Moritz-Arndt-Universität Greifswald 156 Nancy-Université 156 Lund Universitet 156 Brown University 156 Dartmouth College 156 Universitetet i Oslo 156 Universidad de Buenos Aires 156 University of Sydney 156 Pennsylvania State University 156 University of Mumbai (मुंबई विद्यापीठ) 156 大阪大学 Osaka Univ. 156 University of the Punjab (جامعه پنجاب) 156 The University of Auckland 156 清华大学 Tsinghua Univ. 156 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas 156 Freie Universität Berlin There are 175 institutions in total. B. Centennial Ranking All names are modern to avoid any confusion.
11th -12th Centuries 1 Univ. Paris 2 Alma Mater Studiorum Univ. Bologna 3 Univ. Oxford
13th -14th Centuries 1 Univ. Paris 2 Alma Mater Studiorum Univ. Bologna 3 Univ. Oxford 4 Univ. Perugia
15th Century 1 Alma Mater Studiorum Univ. Bologna 2 Univ. Paris 2 Univ. Padova 2 Univ. Ferrara 5 Univ. Oxford 5 Univ. Cambridge
16th Century 1 Univ. Padova 2 Univ. Paris 3 Alma Mater Studiorum Univ. Bologna 3 Univ. Oxford 3 Univ. Cambridge 3 Univ. Pisa 7 Univ. Leiden 8 Univ. Coimbra 8 Univ. catholique Louvain 10 Univ. Salamanca 10 Univ. Poitiers 10 Univ. Basel
17th Century 1 Univ. Oxford 2 Univ. Cambridge 3 Univ. Paris 4 Alma Mater Studiorum Univ. Bologna 4 Univ. Padova 4 Univ. Basel 4 Univ. Leiden 8 Københavns Univ.
18th Century 1 École Polytechnique 2 Univ. Paris 3 Georg-August-Univ. Göttingen 4 Humboldt-Univ. Berlin 5 École natl. des ponts et chaussées 6 Univ. Cambridge 6 Friedrich-Schiller-Univ. Jena 8 Санкт-Петербургский гос. унив. 9 Российский гос. унив. Иммануэла Канта 9 Univ. Edinburgh 11 Univ. Oxford 11 Univ. Pavia 11 Univ. Leipzig 11 Univ. Torino 11 Rheinische Friedrich-Wilhelms-Univ. Bonn There are 15 institutions in total.
19th Century 1 Humboldt-Univ. Berlin 2 Georg-August-Univ. Göttingen 3 Univ. Paris 4 Univ. Cambridge 5 Санкт-Петербургский гос. унив. 5 Univ. London 7 Ludwig-Maximilian-Univ. München 8 Harvard Univ. 9 Rheinische Friedrich-Wilhelms-Univ. Bonn 10 Ruprecht-Karls-Univ. Heidelberg 10 Eidgenössische Tech. Hoch. Zürich 12 Univ. Chicago 13 Univ. Oxford 13 Univ. Leipzig 13 École Polytechnique 16 Univ. Wien 16 Московский гос. унив. М. В. Ломоносова 18 Columbia Univ. 19 Univ. Strasbourg 20 École norm. sup. 21 Cornell Univ. 21 Johns Hopkins Univ. 23 Univ. Zürich 23 Philipps-Univ. Marburg 23 Uniw. Wrocławski 26 Albert-Ludwigs-Univ. Freiburg 26 Princeton Univ. 26 École natl. sup.mines Paris 26 Univ. Calcutta 30 Российский государственный университет имени Иммануэла Канта 30 Univ. Leiden 30 Univ. California, Berkeley There are 31 institutions in total.
20th Century 1 Harvard Univ. 2 Massachusetts Inst. Tech. 3 Univ. Cambridge 4 Columbia Univ. 5 Univ. Chicago 6 Princeton Univ. 7 Univ. California, Berkeley 8 Leland Stanford Jr. Univ. 9 California Inst. Tech. 10 Московский гос. унив. М. В. Ломоносова 11 Univ. Paris 12 Cornell Univ. 13 Yale Univ. 14 Univ. Oxford 15 École norm. sup. 15 Univ. London 17 Univ. Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 18 Univ. Michigan, Ann Arbor 19 Georg-August-Univ. Göttingen 19 Eidgenössische Tech. Hoch. Zürich 19 Univ. California, Los Angeles 22 Univ. Wisconsin-Madison 22 Johns Hopkins Univ. 24 Univ. Minnesota 24 Univ. California, San Diego 26 Univ. Pennsylvania 26 New York Univ. 26 Московский Физико-Техн. инст. 29 東京大学 Tokyo University 30 Univ. Washington 31 Санкт-Петербургский гос. унив. 31 Tech. Univ. München 33 Univ. Toronto 33 City Col. of New York (City Univ. New York) 33 Carnegie Mellon Univ. 36 Ludwig-Maximilian-Univ. München 36 Humboldt-Univ. Berlin 36 京都大学 Kyoto University 36 Univ. Hamburg 40 Rockefeller Univ. 41 Univ. Leiden 41 Univ. Strasbourg 41 Duke Univ. 44 Univ. Roma “La Sapienza” 44 Københavns Univ. 44 École Polytechnique 44 Uniw. Warszawski 44 Case Western Reserve Univ. 44 Univ. Colorado 44 Univ. Texas at Austin 44 Санкт-Петербургский гос. ПолиТехн. унив. 52 Rutgers, The State Univ. New Jersey 52 Univ.eSão Paulo 52 McGill Univ. 52 Vanderbilt Univ. 52 Univ. Bristol 52 Purdue Univ. 52 Illinois Inst. Tech. 59 Ruprecht-Karls-Univ. Heidelberg 59 Tech. Univ. Berlin 59 Univ. Sheffield 59 Imperial Col., London 59 Victoria Univ. Manchester 59 Washington Univ. in St. Louis 59 Univ. California, San Francisco 59 Ohio State Univ. 59 Univ. Amsterdam 59 Univ. British Columbia 59 Новосибирский гос. унив. 70 Univ. Wien 70 Univ. Leipzig 70 Eberhard Karls Univ. Tübingen 70 Univ. Edinburgh 70 Eötvös Loránd Tudományegyetem 70 Rheinische Friedrich-Wilhelms-Univ. Bonn 70 George Washington Univ. 70 Univ. Virginia 70 Univ. LibreBruxelles 70 Univ. Florida 70 Univ. Calcutta 70 Univ. Maryland, Col. Park 70 Уральский гос. унив. 70 Московский авиационный инст. 70 Московский Инженерно-Физический инст. 70 Australian natl. Univ. 70 State Univ. New York Stony Brook 87 Univ. St Andrews 87 Albert-Ludwigs-Univ. Freiburg 87 Uppsala Univ. 87 Univ. Genève 87 Brown Univ. 87 Karolinska inst. 87 Amherst Col. 87 Indiana Univ. 87 Univ. Cape Town 87 Московский гос. Техн. унив. им. Н. Э. Бауманаа 87 Univ. Melbourne 87 Pennsylvania State Univ. 87 Stockholms Univ. 87 Univ. Liverpool 87 The Univ. Auckland 87 Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Univ. Frankfurt am Main 87 Univ. Texas Southwestern Med. Ctr. Dallas There are 103 institutions in total. The University of Paris leads the others by a comfortable margin. This is primarily a result of its long history. It is known that Oxford essentially resulted from the split of Paris, and Cambridge, from Oxford. Harvard was derived from Cambridge since Mr. J. Harvard was an alumnus of Cambridge. In this sense, the University of Paris is the starting point of the modern university. The best graduates of Oxford and Cambridge went to Paris to complete their study. Pope Gregory IX praised the university as “the mother of the sciences” and “city of letters”. Its dominance was not challenged until the Italian Renaissance, and it remained among the top three before the rise of the American universities in the 20th century. It is interesting to note that the top two universities often belong to the same country staring from the 17th century, and could be associated with historical events. When Oxford and Cambridge toped the academic world, there was a revolution on Britain. When École Polytechnique and Paris ranked on the top, it was the time of French Revolution. The European revolution of 1848 swept through Germany, when Berlin and Göttingen bested the world. In the 20th century, Harvard and MIT were sitting on the crown, presumably as the result of the rise of the new superpower. What we have described here is a historical phenomenon, and not of minor significance. Although it is hard to prove the cause-and-effect relation, it is unlikely that the observation was merely a coincidence. It is conceivable that the European revolutions apparently had a liberating effect on academic research in that country concerned. It has little to do with the economic development since the Spanish and the Dutch empires did not achieve much in this aspect, nether did the British Empire of the 19th century when Cambridge merely grasped the 4th place. In contrast, the independence movement in the third world has little positive impact on the academic research. As matter of fact, it often has a negative impact. For example, the University of Calcutta was the best university outside Europe and USA in the 19th century, but it started to decline after the Indian Independence. Similar situation happened to the other South Asian universities. Also the Chinese universities in the mainland declined after Mao’s Revolution. Hence, the academic performance of the universities in a given country could serve as a useful indicator for the progressiveness of the social change.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 10:05:40 PM » |
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II. Nationalities of the Selected Scholars
These scholars come from 52 countries (by birth) listed below.
No. Counrty % 1 USA 16.99 2 Germany 13.99 3 France 13.20 4 Russia/CCCP 11.56 5 UK 10.78 6 Italy 6.14 7 Netherlands 2.71 8 India 2.14 9 Japan 2.00 10 Austria 1.93 11 Switzerland 1.86 12 China 1.79 13 Poland 1.43 14 Canada 1.29 15 Hungary 1.29 16 Sweden 1.14 17 Spain 0.93 17 Denmark 0.93 19 Belgium 0.86 20 Australia 0.71 21 Iran 0.64 22 Portugal 0.57 23 Czech 0.50 23 Ireland 0.50 25 Brazil 0.43 25 Norway 0.43 27 Argentina 0.29 27 Finland 0.29 27 South Africa 0.29 30 New Zealand 0.21 30 Pakistan 0.21 The above are the top 31 countries.
The distributions of the scholars from the top-six ranking countries and the total number are shown in the figure. The total curve display a clear downward trend in the 14th century, obviously related to the “Black-Death”. It was followed by a minor peak in Italy corresponding to the Renaissance. Afterwards, there was a major peak in France, corresponding to the French Revolution, followed by a sharp peak in Germany corresponding to the European Revolution and a peak in Russia corresponding to the Russian Revolutions. The rise of the US was characterised by a much greater scale and was probably a different kind of matter, possibly a result of the emergence of the superpower in the 20th century.
Taken together, the evolution of the academic ranking of the nations and of the universities suggest that the western history in the last one thousand years could be divided into four periods: (1) the High Middle Age centred in Paris; (2) the Renaissance centred in Italy; (3) the European Revolutions spreading from the Britains through France and Germany and eventually ended in Russia; (4) overlapping the Russian Revolutions was the rise of the superpower in North America as the beginning of capitalist globalisation. Russia was never a superpower judging either from its academic performance or from its GDP.
III. Ranking by Research Areas
A. Physical sciences: 1. Paris 2. Cambridge 3. Göttingen 4. Princeton 5. Chicago 6. Berlin 7. Harvard 8. Moscow 9. ÉP Paris 10. MIT 11. Berkeley 12. ETH Zürich 13. Columbia 13. ÉNS Paris 13. Cal. Tech.
B. Engineering 1. MIT 2. Stanford 3. Moscow State Tech. Univ. 4. Harvard 5. ETH Zürich 5. Moscow Phys.-Tech. Inst. 7. St. Petersburg State Tech. Univ. 7. Moscow Aviation Inst. 9. Michigan 9. Cal. Tech.
C. Biology 1. Cambridge 2. Stanford 3. Oxford 3. Berkeley 3. Cal. Tech. 6. Harvard 6. London 6. MIT 6. Illinois 11. Columbia 11. Rockefeller
D. Medicine 1. Harvard 1. Cambridge 3. London 4. Columbia 4. Johns Hopkins 6. Paris 7. Berlin 8. Padova 8. Cornell 8. Washington (Seattle) 8. Rockefeller 12. Bologna 12. Washington (St. Louis) 12. UCSF
E. Arts 1. Paris 2. Oxford 3. Berlin 4. London 5. Cambridge 5. Columbia 7. Harvard 8. Chicago 9. Bologna 10. Yale 11. Wien 12. Göttingen
IV. Ranking of the Academic Cities
This is based on the universities located in the metropolitan area:
1 Paris 2 Boston 3 New York 4 Berlin 5 Москва 6 Chicago 7 Los Angeles 8 London 9 San Fracisco 10 Санкт-Петербу́рг 11 München 12 Zürich
Discussion
Ranking of higher education institutions has always been a controversial affair, not least because the subject matter is often a matter of opinion depending on the philosophy of science and education. For some people, education is primarily a mean of investment, and comparison of the graduate’s income has been going on for many years in the US. The ENS ranking brought this matter to everyone’s attention as it is consistently dominated by the Japanese universities, presumably due to the high living cost and thus higher nominal income in Japan, which has nothing to do with the real income or the quality of the education system. As far as the academic performance is concerned, it is difficult, to say the least, to formulate a universally accepted criteria and a method of quantification, which could explain why so many rankings have been based on subjective scoring. If subjective method is still somewhat meaningful within a country, it breaks down rapidly once applied in an international setting as most people would like to rank those in their country on the top, followed by those in country of the same language. As a result, international ranking of this nature often becomes mixed with unhealthy doses of nationalism, as the THES-QS results have demonstrated. Such results are merely generated to please the reader and its value rests primarily on political propaganda and reinforcement of cultural identity. SJU made an attempt in quantifying the research output in an objective manner, but the outcome has been problematic, as already mentioned in the beginning of this article. In essence, SCI and the like were not designed to be used for this purpose. There is no way you could compare the pea paper of Mendel that laid the foundation of modern genetics with papers on those run-of-the-mill journals. Some scientists could publish as many as a thousand papers and yet achieve mo more than the single paper of Mendel. Hence, we are facing the possibility of huge distortion if we rely on paper counting to measure academic performance. Here, we are not even considering some papers involving unethical misconducts, which is not so rare in certain parts of the world. To overcome this problem, counting the outstanding scholars is a viable alternative, as it reduces the workload and allows a more careful consideration of the achievement on individual basis regarding originality, difficulty, influence, and pragmatic values. Any error that is bound to happen will only be in the scale of one instead of several hundred folds as it happens in counting papers. In addition, errors in scholar selection are generally random and could cancel out in larger samples whereas errors in paper counting are often systematic in nature and tend to accumulate in larger samples. The judgments by experts in history of science and in individual fields as shown by the honours and awards are given careful consideration, although this does not prevent necessary correction of the past mistakes in judgment. For example, Nobel prize were never given to Lise Meitner, Дми́трий Менделе́ев, Rosalind Franklin, Лев Толсто́й, Henrik Ibsen and Émile Zola, just to name a few. The ranking here is not award-based, but it takes such element into consideration to maximize the objectivity of the process and the result. Certain reader has raised the question about relationship between the proof of the education and the achievement of the scholars. This is a delicate issue, and it is considered a job of the historians and education researchers. It is obviously beyond the scale of this study. Overall speaking, the most significant contribution of this study is not about the method of scoring but the fact that it takes the entire history into account. By observing the dynamic change of the individual schools and the entire nation over time, it has been possible to reveal certain general trends of the academic performance of the schools and nations in relation to critical historical development. This achievement by itself demonstrates the validity of the methodology and provides an important point of departure for anyone interested in such investigations.
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III. Ranking by Research Areas this section is modified by moving computer sicence into engineering.
Physical Sciences 1 巴黎大学 2 剑桥大学 3 格奥格-奥古斯特-格丁根大学 4 芝加哥大学 5 普林斯顿大学 6 柏林洪堡大学 7 哈佛大学 8 М.В.罗蒙诺索夫莫斯科国立大学 9 巴黎综合理工学院 10 麻省理工学院 11 苏黎世联邦高等工业学院 11 伯克利加利福尼亚大学 13 巴黎高等师范学校 14 圣彼得堡国立大学 14 哥伦比亚大学 Engineering 1 麻省理工学院 2 小利兰·斯坦福大学 3 哈佛大学 4 鲍曼莫斯科国立技术大学 4 加州理工学院 6 苏黎世联邦高等工业学院 7 剑桥大学 7 哥伦比亚大学 7 莫斯科物理技术学院 10 密歇根大学 10 伯克利加利福尼亚大学 10 圣彼得堡国立技术大学 10 莫斯科航空学院
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 10:39:56 PM » |
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III. Ranking by Research Areas
A. Physical Sciences 1 Paris 2 Cambridge 3 Göttingen 4 Chicago 5 Princeton 6 Berlin 7 Harvard 8 Mosccow 9 EP Paris 10 MIT 11 ETH Zurich 11 UC Berkeley 13 ENS Paris 14 Columbia B. Engineering 1 MIT 2 Stanford 3 Harvard 4 Moscow Tech. U. 4 Cal. Tech. 6 ETH Zurich 7 Cambridge 7 Columbia 7 Moscow Phys.-Tech. Inst. 10 Michigan 10 UC Berkeley 10 St. Pertersburg Tech. U. 10 Moscow Aviation Inst. C. Biology 1 Cambridge 2 Standford 3 Oxford 3 Berkeley 3 Cal. Tech. 6 Harvard 6 London 6 MIT 6 Wisconsin 6 Illinois 11 Columbia 11 Rockefeller D. Medicine 1 Cambridge 1 Harvard 3 Columbia 3 London 5 Johns Hopkins 6 Paris 6 Berlin 8 Padova 8 Cornell 8 U. Washington 8 Rockefeller 12 Bologna 12 Washington U. St. Louis 12 UCSF E. Arts 1 Paris 2 Oxford 3 Berlin 4 London 6 Columbia 7 Harvard 8 Bologna 10 Yale 10 Göttingen 12 Wien
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 10:59:01 PM » |
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Once you get past the top 10-15, this becomes increasingly ludicrous.
IIT above Ohio State, Groningen, and UBC? Paris above Harvard, Cambridge, Berkeley, and MIT in Physical Science? And where's Scuola Normale?
Seriously, as idiotic as the exercise of putting schools in a linear order is to begin with, this one is absolutely the worst I've seen yet. - DvF
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The U.S. Education Department is establishing a new national research center to study colleges' ability to successfully educate the country's growing numbers of academically underprepared administrators.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 11:22:42 PM » |
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Seriously, as idiotic as the exercise of putting schools in a linear order is to begin with, this one is absolutely the worst I've seen yet. - DvF
Agreed. Further, despite all the hub-bub about avoiding bias, the rankings omit any consideration of social sciences, humanities, and other important areas.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 11:25:02 PM » |
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What was the point of posting this idiocy?
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Systeme_D is right. <rah rah RESEARCH!>
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 01:20:51 AM » |
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Once you get past the top 10-15, this becomes increasingly ludicrous.
IIT above Ohio State, Groningen, and UBC? Paris above Harvard, Cambridge, Berkeley, and MIT in Physical Science? And where's Scuola Normale?
Seriously, as idiotic as the exercise of putting schools in a linear order is to begin with, this one is absolutely the worst I've seen yet. - DvF
You are too used to the US New ranking of all American schools. It certainly wil come to be a shock to you, or I will not bother to do it or post it -- what is the point to repeat something already said a thousand times over? The main cause of the difference is that it is not a current raking but a historical one. Do you know anything about the history of scietific development, which mostly happen in Europe? Try to do some home work.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 01:23:17 AM » |
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Seriously, as idiotic as the exercise of putting schools in a linear order is to begin with, this one is absolutely the worst I've seen yet. - DvF
Agreed. Further, despite all the hub-bub about avoiding bias, the rankings omit any consideration of social sciences, humanities, and other important areas. Nothign was omitted, they are all grouped in the "Arts". Anything wrong about it? Some negative reactions are anticipated as such an international ranking are bond to offend many nationalists.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 01:40:37 AM » |
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International ranking will please people of any nationalities. That is why few bother. In the English speaking world, the only widely know ranking of such type is the THES ranking, which is basically a impressionistic ranking of the Anglo-American universities. It merely serve the purpose of reinforcing the nationalistic feeling, which is already very strong in these countries, especially among the conservatives. This article will serve as an antidote. It will be too bitter for some to swallow, I know. But that is life, unless you could supress everyone's voice except the Anglo-American view -- that is exactly how you got into the current financial meltdown. Time to wake up, guys & girls!
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 02:10:27 AM » |
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Once you get past the top 10-15, this becomes increasingly ludicrous.
IIT above Ohio State, Groningen, and UBC? Paris above Harvard, Cambridge, Berkeley, and MIT in Physical Science? And where's Scuola Normale?
Seriously, as idiotic as the exercise of putting schools in a linear order is to begin with, this one is absolutely the worst I've seen yet. - DvF
You are too used to the US New ranking of all American schools. It certainly wil come to be a shock to you, or I will not bother to do it or post it -- what is the point to repeat something already said a thousand times over? The main cause of the difference is that it is not a current raking but a historical one. Do you know anything about the history of scietific development, which mostly happen in Europe? Try to do some home work. OK, first of all: "New s", "wil l", "ra nking", "scie ntific", "happen ed", "homework" Second: Scuola Normale, historically and currently one of the best schools in the world, is never listed in the "US New raking", but mysteriously absent from your supposedly Europe-friendly listing. Third: I am well aware of the French contribution to the sciences, past and present. Paris is a remarkable school, and - if you get to lump the campuses together - certainly belongs on any list of very strong schools. However, by any reasonable measure they are not the best science school in the world, sorry. You can defend your silly list all you want, but nobody with any familiarity with many of the schools on it will give it any credibility. Why have you posted this? Hypothesis: this is some kind of project you did, and you couldn't get CHE or anyone else to publish it, so now you are simply posting it here. - DvF
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 02:23:33 AM » |
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Your hypothesis is completely invalid. It has nothing to do with my project. Scuola Normale got Fermi, but not much else. You can use any particular case to justify your attack, but it makes no sense. Rgarding the ranking of physical science, it include math. The large number of mathmaticians as a result of much longer history of development is a natural outcome. Paris is historically known as the capital of math. On the otehr hand, Germany has been leading in the field of physical and chemical research until WWII. If you are determined to turn a blind eye to the history of science, there is no point to argue.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 02:29:45 AM » |
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I likely know more about the history of science - including mathematics - than do you.
We have now asked several times why you have posted this. If my hypothesis is wrong, offer an alternative. - DvF
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 02:58:19 AM » |
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There is a double standard here unless you ask it to everyone who has posted an article.
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 03:13:59 AM » |
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No, that would be "inconsistency", not "double standard". And I note that you still aren't answering the question. - DvF
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