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« on: February 18, 2009, 05:59:01 PM » |
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I hear students and professors using both. One student asked me which one is correct. What do I tell her?
To me, "academe" sounds strange as the subject of a sentence, as in "American academe is .. "
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 06:01:06 PM » |
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I think you'll find it's Macadamia.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 06:01:32 PM » |
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I actually googled this on coming here, since I hadn't heard the word 'academe' before coming to the States, and got a hit on this very forum: http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=25749.0 |
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 06:20:43 PM » |
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I missed the previous thread when I googled this. I still don't have a convincing answer though. Circumstantial evidence against "academe" is mounting though:
- According to frogfactory, "academe" is used only in the US. "Academia" might be more appropriate for international English. Can anyone testify to this?
- We have other -ia derivatives to indicate groups of people in English, such as "intelligentsia" (maybe a borrowing from another language, such as... Russian??)
I can think of no other -eme derivatives to refer to groups of people.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 06:33:57 PM » |
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My guess is that "academe" and its attendant Americanized pronounciation is a corruption for the French word that includes the accent marks. The fact that this would translate as "academy" in English and is used occasionally to refer to system of higher education in which we work should qualify it as an appropriate word alongside "academia" and "academy".
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Alas, greatness and meaning are rarely coterminous with popular familiarity.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 06:49:08 PM » |
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How do you pronounce it? It looks like acadeem to me, but I guess it could be academay.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 06:49:48 PM » |
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In French an "académie" is a specific school or institution, for example a national academy for a chosen purpose. Like the Académie française / French Academy that regulates prescriptive standards for language use in France. I've never heard the word "acadème" in French (here in Quebec at least). I don't think it's a word.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 07:02:46 PM » |
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In French an "académie" is a specific school or institution, for example a national academy for a chosen purpose. Like the Académie française / French Academy that regulates prescriptive standards for language use in France. I've never heard the word "acadème" in French (here in Quebec at least). I don't think it's a word.
Notice that I called it a corruption. We do that a lot in America; we borrow a word thinking that we're being cosmopolitan. Instead, we misuse it, misspell it, and mispronounce it (think "lingerie", which we pronounce "lawn-zher-ay"). |
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Alas, greatness and meaning are rarely coterminous with popular familiarity.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 07:06:31 PM » |
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And where did the term "academician" come from? I'd never heard that before an American used it. Is that an American thing?
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 07:11:10 PM » |
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online entymology dictionary: Academy
1474, from L. academia, from Gk. Akademeia "grove of Akademos," a legendary Athenian of the Trojan War tales (his name apparently means "of a silent district"), whose estate, six stadia from Athens, was the enclosure where Plato taught his school. Sense broadened 16c. into any school or training place. Poetic form Academe first attested 1588 in sense of "academy;" 1849 with meaning "the world of universities and scholarship," from phrase the groves of Academe, translating Horace's silvas Academi; in this sense, Academia is recorded from 1956. Academic "relating to an academy" first recorded 1586; sense of "not leading to a decision" (like university debates or classroom legal exercises) is from 1886. Academy awards (1941) so called for their distributor, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Merriam-webster's Etymology: Latin Academus (in the phrase inter silvas Academi among the groves of Academus), from Greek Akadēmos — more at academy
Date: 1588 For pronunciation, see the dictionary. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 07:13:27 PM » |
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For pronunciation, see the dictionary. You can always be relied on for a FGI response ;) |
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2009, 07:16:40 PM » |
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I like to tell anyone who will listen that I am a member of The Academy. Then I tell them that I am also The Doctor, and I live in The Village when I am not living in The City. Then they think I am some sort of pretentious Anglophile, and I lose all street cred.
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Oseph....you are right and you make sense.
For your future comments, I insult very directly.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2009, 08:06:55 PM » |
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online entymology dictionary:
Entymology?? Is that like going buggy over word origins? -grin, duck, & cower under Very Large Rock- BTW, the most amusing thing to me is that a secondary definition equates to pedant.... }:) |
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 08:11:37 PM » |
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Entymology?? Is that like going buggy over word origins? LOFL (do what you will with that acronym) |
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2009, 11:32:52 PM » |
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Entymology?? Is that like going buggy over word origins? LOFL (do what you will with that acronym) I made it into a hat. It was so much fun that tomorrow I think I'll take it to the zoo.... |
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