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Author Topic: I would like to get my Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology, I'm 50 - too old?  (Read 8289 times)
daurousseau
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2009, 03:27:29 PM »

You can get a masters in Community Counseling or Marital and Family Therapy in two years over at one of the L.A. places. Argosy and Alliant among the for-profits are both completely legit and do the job. Doubtless many other counseling programs in the universities and colleges around. Cal State Dominguez Hills costs very little for the M.A. program.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2009, 01:10:06 PM »

Its amazing how much misinformation is being broadcast on this thread.  There are positives and negatives for any decision one must make, including grad school.  The comments on debt and the Ph.D. Versus the Psy.D. actually have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the degree itself and the type of institution you are going to attend.  If you attend a private school you will most likely have less funding and more expensive tuition.  It has nothing to do with being a Psy.D. or not, I have colleagues who attended private schools and obtained at Ph.D. with 100K in debt.  The biggest difference between the two is the research/teaching requirement. I graduated with my Psy.D and selected the Psy.D over the Ph.D because I did not want to teach or have most of my time devoted to research.  I wanted to be a clinician, and focus specifically on that aspect of being a psychologist.  Unlike information you may have heard in this discussion, selecting a Psy.D. doesn't preclude you to being a "counseling psychologist" especially since I am a clinical psychologist and have a Psy.D.  That difference is outlined in the graduate program materials and you should research each school to find which best meets your needs.  And contrary to what some individuals have said:

I'm not in clinical psychology. I have friends who are in clinical psych PhD programs.  Here are their thoughts about PsyD programs (this is biased)

The bad:
1. expensive! there are no stipends! 
2. you don't make enough money afterward to pay off those huge loans (I heard about a PsyD student who has $1100/mo loans to pay off during internship, where you make $20,000/yr)
3. PsyDs have a hard time getting accepted for internship & externship.  it's unfair, but they are looked at second after PhD students, and fill the remaining spots (if any).  it's not worth going through all that school if you can't get licensed!

The good:
1. excellent clinical training! i cannot stress this enough.

Have you considered a counseling MA? Less school, less money, more internships, and same outcome--you're a clinician.

Talk with PsyDs in the current program at CSPP.  Talk with graduates.  See what they say about all of this.

With regards to age, I think you are BRAVE and about to embark on an exciting journey!  Many kudos to you!  However, remember that you will be very poor for a number of years (during grad school, after grad school).  If this adjustment is ok with you, then follow your passion.

These statements simply aren't true whatsoever.  Psy.D. programs do have stipends, again it depends if it is a state or private program, that will be the bigger indicator of availability of stipends and fellowship grants.  Yes with private school education you do typically have larger loans to pay back, but you can defer your loan repayment until you are licensed (you don't start paying on internship because you are still considered "in school" and then you can defer on post-doc because its an educational experience).  Then if you are financially unable to repay, you can always apply for a hardship deferment, check with your lending company (or potential lending company) for more accurate information.  The biggest myth posted by couscous is the idea that Psy.D.'s don't get matched for internship.  This is completely false and has no basis in fact.  If you want to know the stats on PsyDs getting matched, check with the program you are applying to for their match stats, they are required by APA to keep them if they are accredited (if they aren't APA accredited just don't apply to the school).  A simple example of this is my class in grad school, out of 15 applying 13 were matched and the remaining found internships through the clearing house.  100% internship placement.  You are judged by your experience, research, coursework, clinical skills, and recommendations by supervisors.  There are some in psychology who do not like the PsyD which is fine, there are some schools who are creating poor clinicians and recruiting students simply to turn a profit (Argosy Professional Schools) and these are the schools who are giving the PsyD a bad name. So the best bet is to get all the appropriate information you need to make a good decision from the APA stats, understanding the program's training perspective, researching if the program is APA accredited, and finding funding sources outside of loans if you are concerned.  I hope this helps and is more accurate information.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2009, 02:50:42 PM »

Setting aside the Ph.D. versus Psy.D. debate, the relevant issue here seems to be time-to-license.  The clinical psychology degree (Ph.D. or Psy.D.) itself is typically a five-year, full-time commitment.  Following that, most states require at least one additional year of supervised training after the doctorate is conferred (though this may begin to change if state legislatures accept the APAs revised recommended training model).  So figure at least six years to be license-eligible, then however long it takes you to pass the EPPP and do whatever else your state requires for licensure. 

If you simply wish to make a living doing counseling, Master's programs which lead to counseling careers (such as the MSW, MA in Marriage and Family Therapy, or MA in Counseling) will undoubtedly get you there faster.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2009, 09:04:22 AM »

Speaking of time-to-license, you need to go to an accredited program (accredited by the APA or NASP or whatever agency is appropriate for the area of psych you choose). This will make a huge difference in licensure.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2009, 08:48:35 PM »

If your interest is in being a psychotherapist with credentials reimbursable by insurance companies, I'd do a MSW or an MFT.  No need for the Psy.D.   I haven't met many Psy.D.s who have superior skills or knowledge to MSWs or MFTs.  Indeed, while it may be a five-year program, the Psy.D. provides, in most places, maybe one more  year of coursework than does a MSW or MFT.  You get way more debt for not much more bang for your buck.

It's not a degree for which I hold much respect.  Now, the Illinois School of Professional Psychology, like the California School of Professional Psychology grant Ph.D.s, not Psy.D.s, the last I heard.  Berkeley used to be pretty Freudian.

Personally, I wouldn't consider getting a Psy.D.  The MSW or the MFT is really the way to go if you want to do psychotherapy.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2009, 10:12:11 PM »

Say, you're spot on 50 and today is your birthday.

Say the degree takes you 7 years.

How old will you be in 7 years without the degree?

How old will you be in 7 years with the degree?

How hard is this to call?
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